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hello and welcome to the show I'm Martyn

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Willis your host and Alejandro Rojas

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we'll be coming up in just a minute we

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have a couple of guests this evening

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one is norio hiawatha after that we have

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supporting it's a lot of you haven't

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heard a lot of people emailing saying

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totally understand that but everything's

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coming up from the New England UFO

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conference for after the news to give a

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brief hello and talk about that I'm

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Massachusetts this coming weekend and

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some listeners there as usual we usually

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we have t-shirt graphics there's at

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least seven or eight people are throwing

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all the different designs and we'll let

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graphics and there'll be more details on

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that as soon as we get closer to that

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and that's enough of my babbling Andra

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Rojas how are you good

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awesome I think it'd be cool if you had

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Hayakawa t-shirt oh yes with that

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cool you know him playing his guitar

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individual I love nori oh yeah yeah yeah

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yeah so what's going on in the UFO news

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this with UFO news lots of exciting

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and it makes me want you know we talked

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about this there's all those people out

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sensationalize everything there's this

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one guy I know whose name I will not

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disclose who can make some weird rock

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being found in Russia sound like this

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amazing alien event and phenomena going

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don't want to you know both these things

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want to say anything about that like oh

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yeah those people like me too well you

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you're right so Pennsylvania witness

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videotapes of boomerang UFO it sounds

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like it could be exciting the video is

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much out a lot of people are saying oh

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that's probably be nice but it's

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difficult to make it anything out the

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witness did say they saw by helicopter

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during the day probably not related but

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during at night when they went out to

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have a smoke they saw this light that

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they said just suddenly appeared they

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took a picture that's in the story and

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he says after it floated and hovered

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around for a minute from left her

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right it ascended a little and then

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quickly vanished blew off hmm

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so if it really flew off of course that

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would be something significant

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right yeah how many witnesses were there

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total illness I it the only the one

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witness submitted it but he said that it

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was him and his fiancee not a mass

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sighting but still yeah yeah and he has

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a photo although you can't make much out

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in the photo another video where that

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includes or I mean a UFO sighting that

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includes some photos that are also is

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difficult to make out in fact if you

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just look at the photos you would think

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it's probably bina sand I suppose it

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they said they first spotted this thing

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a.m. that is they believe that it first

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see they this is the key they say they

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see it in the sky almost every morning

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gets brighter out so yeah most likely a

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star most likely Venus air although they

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think that at least in these pictures

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they took that the object is below the

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cloud cover however although there are

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clouds and none of these pictures do the

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clouds seem to cover the object so that

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one's still outstanding they said that

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they do build then it may have moved but

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probably Venus and then here's the other

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brilliant red orange and of course that

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always rates raises a red flag right

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UFOs reported moving over Scranton

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your Chinese Lantern thoughts so true

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Chinese Lantern thoughts because Chinese

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are lanterns are usually red orange orbs

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and that's what this witness said they

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had seen at 9:15 p.m. on September 22nd

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he said they were flying in different

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formations however

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the person said that the four objects

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there there were four of them merged

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together and shot off behind the clouds

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to the west so of course if they moved

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at a fast speed and and just didn't

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appear to move at a fast speed then that

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would rule out Chinese lanterns but of

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course often these orange red orbs turn

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out to be just that so another one there

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were no photos that were captured or

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video on this one but another well just

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interesting report from the MUFON

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database now that Terry ray and Erica

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loops I think a few people are getting

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together and they're doing the orange or

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like research through move on or they

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were going to I'm not sure if that's

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still on or that's still happening but I

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read the story in particular in if I

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remember right it said that a fifth orb

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like joins it comes from a different

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location and joins up with the rest of

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them that sounds peculiar he said he

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just saw a fifth one up here but only

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the four that were together earlier

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seemed to merge okay so but of course if

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they were launched together and and as

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they got further away it's not too hard

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to think that they may look weird

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I think the the issue is and I think

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this is where some investigators go off

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the rails a bit where they they just

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don't get it I think that we always have

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to think of how with these stories or

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sightings if we're going to purport that

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they are something significant they have

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to do something unusual some unusual

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characteristics if you can't say those

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characteristics are not something a

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balloon or a lantern can do then there's

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not really much we can do with that

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except for say it's interesting and a

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lot of these researchers trying to say

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well not all the orange orbs or Chinese

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lanterns maybe not but if you don't have

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you know you're not documenting them

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doing something really strange

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then you can't prove otherwise yeah and

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that's the high bar we have for this

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build but as mr. Sagan said

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extraordinary claims require

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extraordinary evidence that's right and

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it's Occam's razor when it comes to this

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type of thing as well you know that that

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Carl Sagan wasn't the first person to

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say that it was oh it wasn't no I had

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looked that up at one time it was

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someone else

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prior to Sagan and he kind of you know

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he's known for saying it but if you

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google that you can check that out I'm

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pretty sure I could be total well you

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should do yeah we should look it up and

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make sure and credit the original source

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to popularize you know the guy who

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deserves the credit assuming it was a

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man all right so check out the show

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notes if I get some time here I'll check

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that out and I'll put pop that into the

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show notes sounds good brother and all

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these links will be there which will go

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to openminds.tv/radio and I do I can't

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say there is more interesting news

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coming so there are some stories I know

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coming down the pipe that are going to

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be really interesting so next week we

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should have some some more fun stuff to

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now that's not interesting that's a hoax

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is that a hoax I've been trying to

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figure out if that's a hoax or not so

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you have the original source was world

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weekly news which it even says on the

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site it's an entertainment purposes only

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if you look at the stories it's like the

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onion they're just kind of making up

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some well I'm glad you looked into that

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I tried to figure out something the day

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after I heard it I couldn't find

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anything so when I couldn't find a lot

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on it that made me nervous that it could

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yeah at the hoax but very good well

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thanks so much and thanks for clearing

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that up too and I'll come to you next

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week all right talk to you soon buddy

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all right hanging everyone we're going

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to have Susan talk about the New England

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UFO conference that I will be attending

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this weekend all right so now we're

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the Greater New England UFO conference

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this weekend how are you Susan thank you

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and get all the information but Susan

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let's talk about the conference this is

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a little different than last year in a

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two years Steve for money from

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Leominster ran the conference I

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volunteered for him I ran the

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registration desk and that gave me a lot

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of insight as to what's required to run

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such an events

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so I'm implementing those changes to

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make it more efficient and one of them

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is the price is a very reasonable price

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this year it is

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I'm personally funding this event myself

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and I have done a great deal of

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advertising real television commercials

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on the History Channel National

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Geographic sci-fi throughout north

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central Massachusetts alright let's talk

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about the speakers who's going to be

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there this year

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sure we have Mark Dantonio who was a an

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expert he works he works for MUFON and

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he is an expert in video and audio sorry

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photograph photographs to determine

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whether or not they're authentic or

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whatever they are it's one of my

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favorite people he's fantastic

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we have ray Hernandez he's coming up

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from Miami Beach Florida and he is the

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co-director and co-founder of free which

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is the foundation for research into

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extraterrestrial extraterrestrial

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encounters he is doing he's been

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collecting data from people around the

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world over several thousand people

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American from the United States China

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North America South America and in

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various languages to see they compare to

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make a comparative analysis of people's

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abduction experiences if the aliens look

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the same

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happens to them etc so he'll be

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divulging for the first time the data

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that he has gleaned from these he was a

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guest on the show not too long ago but

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he at that time he was not divulging the

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data so that's good to know

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right so that's that's a special thing

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that's going to be happening this

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Saturday then we will have a roxy

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Zwicker from Portsmouth New Hampshire

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she's a historian and she does haunted

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haunted historical tours and also has

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had experiences with orbs and and UFO

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sighting so she'll be speaking for us as

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well as Bill Hall

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and he wrote the book called the haunted

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house diaries and it has to do with the

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paranormal flap in Litchfield County

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Connecticut hmm very interesting book

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and then after that we're having a fall

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in Benny no they're the world-famous

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father and son paranormal team their

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talk will be a a lien versus demon which

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is which very interesting people yes

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and John our keynote speaker Richard

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Dolan will speak at 3 p.m. some

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scheduling guffaws he'll be doing his

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presentation by a Skype from London

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where all we're all set technically to

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accommodate that and after that we are

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having Jan - Jan is the executive

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director of MUFON MUFON stands for the

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mutual UFO network and they'll be

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talking about the past 46 years of Moon

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Fonz history and moving forward what

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they plan to do now Friday going a

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little bit backwards here we're having

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Billy penning and Ryan White more from

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Leominster they will have and they will

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talk about Bigfoot Bigfoot experiences

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orange orbs and they have a plaster cast

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of a book of a foot a Bigfoot foot that

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they took in Leominster state forests so

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Leominster is a real hotbed of UFO and

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very unusual activities and

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brach will also be speaking he's coming

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down from Maine as well to do to talk

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about Bigfoot

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we should commute $25 for adults and $10

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for children under 12 on Saturday Friday

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$10 for adults and $5 for children under

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12 we look forward to seeing you at

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website is WWF Oh calm very good thanks

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so much and I look forward to seeing you

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this weekend thank you as well take care

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so hang in everyone for this quick music

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Nouriel Hayakawa how are you today

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penetrant I pronounce your name wrong

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didn't I

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you sure did but no problem a lot of

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people do my last name is Hayakawa

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Hayakawa means in japanese which means

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fast the river really high up means fast

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and Kawa means river so well i want to

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welcome you to the show you're only on

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for about a half an hour so I have read

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a lot of your postings over the last few

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years and I think you have a pretty good

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view on what's going on it's always

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interesting to read what you write and

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you sort of have a you know a good

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healthy skepticism as well that's

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correct

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and so can you talk about your you have

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an interesting background too

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can you tell the listening audience

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who's not aware of you your background

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and your live in New Mexico right that's

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correct I live in the city of Rio Rancho

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which is right next to Albuquerque and

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I'm really glad to be living here in

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this land of enchantment I used to live

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in California but in 2008 we moved here

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to this amazing state of New Mexico well

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I've spent a little time there myself

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actually in visiting with my sister four

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months in Los Alamos and I love the

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whole area Santa Fe it's just a gorgeous

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gorgeous canyons wonderful hiking if

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you're into that and really nice Native

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American culture really like that

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exactly and well you know actually New

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Mexico is the reason why I I have been

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involved in the UFOs for the past fifty

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five years or I don't know maybe it goes

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to

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two years because I started active UFO

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research in 1961 while I was living in

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Japan but it was in 1964 that I became

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acquainted with the Lonnie Zamora

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Socorro incident in New Mexico in 1964

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and that's really what brought me to New

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Mexico really that's correct that is to

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me I think that's one of the the top

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cases you know he was Lonnie was by

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everyone ray Stanford I've talked to a

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number of times and a lot of people that

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all say the same thing he was a stand-up

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guy he didn't want any publicity

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especially this type of publicity and

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you know he was telling the truth that's

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correct and the reason I I like New

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Mexico is because it has its first of

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all it's so spacious I mean it's the

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first largest state in the Union with

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just a population of just two million in

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the entire state and this is why I have

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always stated that it's a perfect

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location for the government to conduct

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any kind of black project programs or

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research using this amazing amazingly

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vast area and so you know I have to tell

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you that I have a wait website my own

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website now it's called Nouriel Hayakawa

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dot wordpress.com in which I post lots

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of fascinating item and many of the

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items referred to New Mexico and

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especially if you scroll down my website

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can see things such as the amazing

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Farmington New Mexico siding of 1950 in

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which the incident took place for three

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days in a row every time around 11 to

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noon and hundreds of objects were seen

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information formation by hundreds of

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citizens of Farmington and I you can see

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about that incident in my website but

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anyway yeah I'm so excited today

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especially right now because this coming

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Saturday I have helped organize the

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second New Mexico UFO conference is

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going to take place on October 17th this

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Saturday and the mayor of Rio Rancho

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where I reside officially declared

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October 17th as the official UFO

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research day and it's the first time

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that I recall that an American city's

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mayor has declared in seriousness the

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significance of UFO research and so I

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were very excited and this conference is

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being sponsored by nonprofit New Mexico

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move on and we are bringing in three

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speakers Colonel John Alexander Nick

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Pope and Nick Redfern they are the only

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three speakers and it's going to be a

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tremendous conference based on serious

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research and so by the mayor of Rio

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Rancho declaring October 17th as the

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official UFO research a it is a

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recognition that this is not about

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craziness of Roz will festival and all

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that there's not

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of that sort in this conference the

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mayor has declared that Europe for

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research is a serious research and we're

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not talking about aliens and and all

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kinds of costumes and all that stuff

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well straightforwardly talking about the

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seriousness of the real phenomenon and

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reality but yet we have not come to any

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conclusion as to what this phenomenon

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really is and so the title of that

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conference on Saturday here in Rio

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Rancho is what does the government

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really know and so anyway I'm so excited

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I have to mention that well that is a

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stellar lineup you have there though so

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yeah and John was on this show I think

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two weeks ago and yet he will have

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definitely have something to say about

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the government and UFOs for sure he's

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not always popular with a lot of the

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listening audience I had a number of

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emails of people I actually forward at a

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few to him he got a kick out of it of

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people calling him a disinformation

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agent because of you know he's basically

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claims that it's nothing that you know

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the government is really that interested

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in compared to Wars and everything else

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that's going on at the same time so

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anyway again not always popular but I

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think he has a good message I really

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enjoyed speaking with him very smart guy

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and and also Nick Pope is kind of hard

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to nail down so in Redford's really I'm

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a fan of Nick Redfern

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he always has a lot and what that guy

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could put out some books let me tell you

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yes he's a prolific author and he has a

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whole range of topics in this so-called

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apology probably he's more

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prolific authors today regarding the

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apology and the various aspects of you

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ecology and UFO culture and by the way I

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don't call myself a ufologist I call

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myself an unorthodox weaveologist that

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specializes in the culture of you avala

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G the culture so I have not in fact

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there's no such a thing as a UFO expert

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never a lot of people use the term UFO

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expert such as you know a UFO expert is

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coming to a conference and gonna speak

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you know there's no such a thing as a

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UFO expert because it's like saying that

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he or she is an expert on God yeah

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that's my statement well I totally am in

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line with that I was in Russia a few

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weeks ago visiting over there and I just

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had this situation happens someone

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introduced me to this person at a spa

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and said a few things about me and all

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and the the guy was very excited and was

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babbling on and on and I was introduced

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as an alien expert by by someone over

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there I thought that was I said no no I

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tried to you know try to get the

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translation changed a little bit for

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that just that just saying that I do a

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show and you know a lot of people

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actually say to me are you a ufologist

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and I'm not you know maybe an armchair

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one at at best but I am just fascinated

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by the topic I had my own sighting I

544
00:27:37,340 --> 00:27:33,710
became fascinated with the topic and

545
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:37,350
fascinated with the people involved in

546
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:40,890
this field and you know there is some

547
00:27:45,470 --> 00:27:42,480
you know there's a little bit of

548
00:27:47,870 --> 00:27:45,480
infighting here and there there's some

549
00:27:49,940 --> 00:27:47,880
some of that goes on no matter what but

550
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:49,950
I think the people that are interested

551
00:27:55,490 --> 00:27:51,450
in this topic

552
00:27:58,940 --> 00:27:55,500
are fascinating you're absolutely right

553
00:28:05,600 --> 00:27:58,950
because as far as I'm concerned there is

554
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:05,610
no topic more important in our life than

555
00:28:14,500 --> 00:28:10,490
the topic of the UFO phenomenon because

556
00:28:17,930 --> 00:28:14,510
anybody that can solve the UFO phenomena

557
00:28:24,940 --> 00:28:17,940
will solve the entire mysteries of the

558
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:27,049
psychologically sociologically

559
00:28:33,529 --> 00:28:30,330
culturally and scientifically the

560
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:33,539
univille phenomena question will answer

561
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:36,690
a lot of questions but so far it hasn't

562
00:28:45,019 --> 00:28:40,320
brought anything but I think that this

563
00:28:50,810 --> 00:28:45,029
topic relates to everything this topic

564
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:50,820
relates to everything so I say that the

565
00:28:58,340 --> 00:28:54,960
UFO phenomenon topic is one of the most

566
00:29:05,000 --> 00:28:58,350
important because it involves all types

567
00:29:10,669 --> 00:29:05,010
of beliefs and beliefs are definitely

568
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:10,679
part of the human psyche everybody has a

569
00:29:19,610 --> 00:29:16,320
belief and but sometimes belief can lead

570
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:19,620
to reality sometimes it doesn't so

571
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:25,919
anyway I continue I continue to keep

572
00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:29,130
abreast with what is happening in the

573
00:29:37,070 --> 00:29:34,289
world as far as UFO reports and theories

574
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:37,080
and everything is concerned like I said

575
00:29:45,889 --> 00:29:41,730
I've been doing this since 1961 but I

576
00:29:51,980 --> 00:29:45,899
can definitely state that I am just as

577
00:29:54,889 --> 00:29:51,990
ignorant as anybody about this subject I

578
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:54,899
have not come to any conclusion because

579
00:30:02,690 --> 00:29:58,320
it's a remaining mystery remaining

580
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:02,700
mystery and so I continue to gather

581
00:30:09,290 --> 00:30:05,370
information we

582
00:30:13,610 --> 00:30:09,300
actually not come any step closer to the

583
00:30:16,580 --> 00:30:13,620
truth then we started I I believe that a

584
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,590
hundred percent and I've had a few

585
00:30:22,010 --> 00:30:18,720
people ask me well you know why do you

586
00:30:23,930 --> 00:30:22,020
do this or are you looking to see this

587
00:30:26,510 --> 00:30:23,940
thing solved is that is that why you're

588
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:26,520
in it and and I just say well it's

589
00:30:30,049 --> 00:30:27,930
probably not going to happen in my

590
00:30:33,740 --> 00:30:30,059
lifetime and I'm okay with that

591
00:30:36,140 --> 00:30:33,750
I really am I am totally okay with that

592
00:30:37,820 --> 00:30:36,150
and it's not because if it was solved my

593
00:30:39,919 --> 00:30:37,830
show would go away because that probably

594
00:30:45,410 --> 00:30:39,929
would happen I've never really thought

595
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:45,420
about that but but just the fact that it

596
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:50,730
is such a mystery and you know any time

597
00:30:55,130 --> 00:30:52,559
that someone is out there and telling

598
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:55,140
you they know what's going on you know

599
00:30:59,870 --> 00:30:57,450
that's when you want to run the other

600
00:31:00,430 --> 00:30:59,880
way there's no there's no one really

601
00:31:03,980 --> 00:31:00,440
knows

602
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:03,990
that's true and yeah is a very important

603
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:08,450
thing there are two concepts or two

604
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:13,410
thoughts that everybody has and that is

605
00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:17,850
that in this whole wide cosmos or

606
00:31:27,820 --> 00:31:23,809
universe there has to be some type of

607
00:31:34,180 --> 00:31:27,830
intelligence or in and intelligent

608
00:31:38,570 --> 00:31:34,190
entities somewhere in this universe most

609
00:31:40,030 --> 00:31:38,580
mainlines astronomers scientists and so

610
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:40,040
on

611
00:31:46,910 --> 00:31:43,530
believe that yes the possibility is

612
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:46,920
there definitely there has to be but the

613
00:31:57,140 --> 00:31:52,650
second idea is that then the UFO

614
00:32:01,330 --> 00:31:57,150
phenomena is relevant to that or is the

615
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:01,340
UFO phenomenon and evidence of such an

616
00:32:08,210 --> 00:32:04,559
extraterrestrial visitation physical

617
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:08,220
visitation here to our physical earth

618
00:32:18,380 --> 00:32:11,490
this is two completely different subject

619
00:32:24,860 --> 00:32:18,390
and most scientists and astronomers

620
00:32:27,980 --> 00:32:24,870
of the world while the majority believed

621
00:32:32,570 --> 00:32:27,990
that there has to be somewhere in this

622
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:32,580
universe other intelligent life but when

623
00:32:39,070 --> 00:32:35,490
it comes to UFOs it's a totally

624
00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:39,080
different story and that I have to

625
00:32:45,740 --> 00:32:42,510
stress the this the difference and it's

626
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:45,750
very important so basically what I'm

627
00:32:57,100 --> 00:32:49,410
trying to say is that the UFO phenomenon

628
00:33:00,490 --> 00:32:57,110
is not equivalent to evidence for

629
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:00,500
extraterrestrial physical visitation and

630
00:33:07,460 --> 00:33:04,410
this is also what dr. Jacques Vallee has

631
00:33:10,490 --> 00:33:07,470
been saying in fact people like dr.

632
00:33:14,690 --> 00:33:10,500
Jacques Vallee the people like John a

633
00:33:19,610 --> 00:33:14,700
heal the lake John a kill a prolific

634
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:19,620
author just like Nick Redfern of today

635
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:23,760
but both these gentlemen are my heroes

636
00:33:32,750 --> 00:33:28,170
doc dr. Jacques Vallee and John a keel

637
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:32,760
and both have really changed my view of

638
00:33:42,010 --> 00:33:36,330
UFO phenomenon since there are 1978 when

639
00:33:45,970 --> 00:33:42,020
I started reading their books and so

640
00:33:50,830 --> 00:33:45,980
what I'm trying to say is that let's not

641
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:50,840
equate the UFO phenomenon with physical

642
00:33:57,500 --> 00:33:53,370
extraterrestrial visitations

643
00:34:02,420 --> 00:33:57,510
we still haven't come up with conclusive

644
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:02,430
evidence for this but let's keep

645
00:34:09,740 --> 00:34:06,090
researching about this phenomena it's

646
00:34:14,990 --> 00:34:09,750
the phenomena definitely seems to be

647
00:34:19,780 --> 00:34:15,000
real or or real although we don't really

648
00:34:23,389 --> 00:34:19,790
know what real is in fact that another

649
00:34:28,010 --> 00:34:23,399
saying of mine we still don't know what

650
00:34:31,220 --> 00:34:28,020
reality really is that's right even you

651
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:31,230
know even that the science will prove

652
00:34:35,059 --> 00:34:31,919
that

653
00:34:36,770 --> 00:34:35,069
actually when you get especially when

654
00:34:39,530 --> 00:34:36,780
you get into like quantum mechanics and

655
00:34:41,720 --> 00:34:39,540
all that I just want to make a quick

656
00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:41,730
announcement here anyone listening live

657
00:34:48,139 --> 00:34:44,609
you can jump over to podcast UFO calm

658
00:34:51,250 --> 00:34:48,149
and get in our chat room you can also

659
00:34:56,030 --> 00:34:51,260
call in live if you'd like to.that 603

660
00:34:59,539 --> 00:34:56,040
967 400 300 or Skype Marty Willis that's

661
00:35:00,890 --> 00:34:59,549
ma RT y WI ll is I don't know why I

662
00:35:04,819 --> 00:35:00,900
chose that I don't like to be called

663
00:35:05,870 --> 00:35:04,829
Marty but anyway but next week I just

664
00:35:08,089 --> 00:35:05,880
want to make this announcement I'm going

665
00:35:10,910 --> 00:35:08,099
to say it at the end too we have I think

666
00:35:13,220 --> 00:35:10,920
a really killer show lined up we have

667
00:35:16,700 --> 00:35:13,230
first we're going to start out with Mark

668
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:16,710
Rutger and Leslie Kane they're going to

669
00:35:22,490 --> 00:35:18,690
be on first and then after that we have

670
00:35:24,700 --> 00:35:22,500
skeptic Michael Shermer you all know him

671
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:24,710
from his smirk that he does so famously

672
00:35:29,839 --> 00:35:27,210
when he is talking about the UFO

673
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:29,849
phenomena so anyway that's going to be a

674
00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:31,680
really great show next week coming up

675
00:35:35,780 --> 00:35:33,900
and again and if we want to jump in the

676
00:35:36,589 --> 00:35:35,790
chatroom we do have a question up there

677
00:35:39,559 --> 00:35:36,599
now for you

678
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:39,569
norio and that is what have you learned

679
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:42,720
about the UFO culture and this person

680
00:35:46,970 --> 00:35:44,210
would like to know more about that

681
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:46,980
because that's what interests you the

682
00:35:57,700 --> 00:35:51,839
most yes a very good question and the

683
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:57,710
UFO culture has a wide spectrum you know

684
00:36:04,789 --> 00:36:00,720
let's say for example the one of the

685
00:36:07,849 --> 00:36:04,799
best example of UFO culture in America

686
00:36:13,250 --> 00:36:07,859
and also in the world is let's take for

687
00:36:19,089 --> 00:36:13,260
example area 51 now area 51 has become

688
00:36:26,620 --> 00:36:19,099
synonymous with alien technology and

689
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:26,630
that's what I mean somehow or other in

690
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:30,720
1989 when the world first started

691
00:36:40,490 --> 00:36:33,770
hearing about area 51 due to the

692
00:36:44,859 --> 00:36:40,500
appearance of mr. Bob Lazar 1981 on Las

693
00:36:54,829 --> 00:36:50,870
the world has equated or ascribed every

694
00:37:00,380 --> 00:36:54,839
51 with alien technology and that's what

695
00:37:03,740 --> 00:37:00,390
I call beautiful cultures you know it's

696
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:03,750
a household word area 51 has become

697
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:08,810
America's household word and everybody

698
00:37:17,870 --> 00:37:14,690
associates area 51 with the aliens and

699
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:17,880
another interesting thing about the

700
00:37:29,050 --> 00:37:23,570
culture beautiful is of course the the

701
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:29,060
you know the gray alien and the Roswell

702
00:37:41,859 --> 00:37:36,170
Roswell has become synonymous with alien

703
00:37:45,980 --> 00:37:41,869
spaceship crash and this has deeply

704
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:45,990
become part of a UFO culture in fact the

705
00:37:54,589 --> 00:37:50,640
city of Roswell New Mexico has benefited

706
00:37:59,780 --> 00:37:54,599
from the People's Association of Roswell

707
00:38:05,599 --> 00:37:59,790
with aliens this is what I mean in this

708
00:38:10,910 --> 00:38:05,609
world is a UFO culture that actually is

709
00:38:15,820 --> 00:38:10,920
contributing to part of the UFO industry

710
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:15,830
what I call the UFO industry includes

711
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:25,890
movies you know videos you know books

712
00:38:33,890 --> 00:38:30,960
podcasts everything and I'm not saying

713
00:38:36,620 --> 00:38:33,900
that the UFO industry is bad or good

714
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:36,630
it's just part of a culture so we have

715
00:38:47,050 --> 00:38:40,160
to admit that there is a UFO culture

716
00:38:53,839 --> 00:38:47,060
here and it just it just developed

717
00:38:55,220 --> 00:38:53,849
naturally and until we really encounter

718
00:38:56,510 --> 00:38:55,230
the final truth

719
00:39:00,610 --> 00:38:56,520
in other words

720
00:39:03,890 --> 00:39:00,620
let's say the arrival of real

721
00:39:09,020 --> 00:39:03,900
extraterrestrial physical entities on

722
00:39:14,330 --> 00:39:09,030
earth the UFO culture will continue on

723
00:39:17,450 --> 00:39:14,340
and on now a lot of the the cultures in

724
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:17,460
the past have you know faded away with

725
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:20,130
time like fairies angels things like

726
00:39:27,770 --> 00:39:23,850
that and you hear speculation that the

727
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:27,780
UFO this is from skeptics or not or no

728
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:29,370
maybe the bunker skeptics whatever you

729
00:39:34,610 --> 00:39:31,530
want to call them that say it's just

730
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:34,620
another trend like the little people the

731
00:39:40,070 --> 00:39:38,730
leprechauns are and and all that what

732
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:40,080
are your thoughts on that I mean I I

733
00:39:44,900 --> 00:39:42,690
think it's here to stay until something

734
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:44,910
solved myself but you know maybe I'm

735
00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:48,480
just blind to that topic yes

736
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:51,510
but we're living in this century modern

737
00:40:00,670 --> 00:39:56,720
century and the people's concept of

738
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:00,680
extraterrestrials have become you know

739
00:40:05,060 --> 00:40:03,570
streamlined extraterrestrial flying

740
00:40:09,470 --> 00:40:05,070
saucers

741
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:09,480
you know type of a shape and it's it

742
00:40:16,820 --> 00:40:15,210
fits the modern civilization but in the

743
00:40:20,450 --> 00:40:16,830
Middle Ages

744
00:40:24,860 --> 00:40:20,460
the description of reported sightings

745
00:40:30,590 --> 00:40:24,870
were different like fire or round halo

746
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,600
like objects and when it comes to

747
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:32,400
entities yeah

748
00:40:41,570 --> 00:40:37,530
fairies elves and so on were reported

749
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:41,580
and recorded throughout history but like

750
00:40:51,860 --> 00:40:46,160
dr. Jack Whelan said each culture each

751
00:40:59,060 --> 00:40:51,870
age has its own description of something

752
00:41:01,460 --> 00:40:59,070
we still don't know and so you know it's

753
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:01,470
a fascinating thing that this phenomenon

754
00:41:09,799 --> 00:41:06,930
has existed from for ages according to

755
00:41:16,489 --> 00:41:09,809
researchers like dr. Jack valet

756
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:16,499
and yet we are still completely

757
00:41:24,349 --> 00:41:22,529
mystified about this phenomenon up on

758
00:41:27,769 --> 00:41:24,359
the message board someone wants to know

759
00:41:30,140 --> 00:41:27,779
what your thoughts on Dulce is yes

760
00:41:33,199 --> 00:41:30,150
that's a very good topic since I live in

761
00:41:35,299 --> 00:41:33,209
New Mexico I live only about two and a

762
00:41:39,259 --> 00:41:35,309
half hours away from don't say and I

763
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:39,269
visit Gosei once in a while and talk to

764
00:41:48,620 --> 00:41:45,359
the locals yes there definitely seems to

765
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:48,630
be something there but we don't really

766
00:41:55,959 --> 00:41:52,319
know what that is because we haven't

767
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:55,969
come up with any physical tangible solid

768
00:42:03,109 --> 00:41:58,319
evidence that there is a physical

769
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:03,119
underground facility in or around Dulce

770
00:42:09,259 --> 00:42:05,609
New Mexico including the so called

771
00:42:13,279 --> 00:42:09,269
Archuleta Mesa as well as the Archuleta

772
00:42:16,219 --> 00:42:13,289
mountain which is located northwest on

773
00:42:21,380 --> 00:42:16,229
the Mesa right near Colorado border but

774
00:42:24,380 --> 00:42:21,390
the rumors continue on but my take is

775
00:42:26,479 --> 00:42:24,390
that if there is a possibility that at

776
00:42:30,319 --> 00:42:26,489
one point in time hold on just one

777
00:42:33,439 --> 00:42:30,329
second if you would please okay a caller

778
00:42:35,359 --> 00:42:33,449
please say your first name and sorry to

779
00:42:35,929 --> 00:42:35,369
interrupt you Nouriel caller you have a

780
00:42:38,660 --> 00:42:35,939
question

781
00:42:41,689 --> 00:42:38,670
hi yeah I apologize for the interruption

782
00:42:44,479 --> 00:42:41,699
as well as Chris and Pennsylvania I'm

783
00:42:48,349 --> 00:42:44,489
just wondering if you think the same UFO

784
00:42:53,469 --> 00:42:48,359
cultures are developing in South America

785
00:42:55,669 --> 00:42:53,479
around sites where those are seen often

786
00:42:57,739 --> 00:42:55,679
and I'll take my answer off the air

787
00:43:00,140 --> 00:42:57,749
thank you thank you yes a very good

788
00:43:03,789 --> 00:43:00,150
question yes there's a UFO culture in

789
00:43:05,779 --> 00:43:03,799
South America and to give you an example

790
00:43:11,539 --> 00:43:05,789
there's a place called

791
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:11,549
Rudy torkoal in Argentina near the city

792
00:43:15,949 --> 00:43:13,890
of not too far away from the city of

793
00:43:20,029 --> 00:43:15,959
Cordoba Argentina

794
00:43:23,359 --> 00:43:20,039
and Rudy torko is a town just like

795
00:43:29,989 --> 00:43:23,369
Sedona Arizona which has

796
00:43:34,339 --> 00:43:29,999
become a spot for people who are into

797
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:34,349
the mysterious aspect of this UFO

798
00:43:40,970 --> 00:43:38,640
phenomena because a lot of people in

799
00:43:46,779 --> 00:43:40,980
that location Rudi torkoal

800
00:43:51,259 --> 00:43:46,789
believe that there is some kind of a

801
00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:51,269
vortex in that location

802
00:43:57,170 --> 00:43:53,640
just like Sedona and that's why I'm

803
00:43:59,509 --> 00:43:57,180
saying that this is not unique in the

804
00:44:03,349 --> 00:43:59,519
you have a cultural spot I would say

805
00:44:07,130 --> 00:44:03,359
exists around the world I just mentioned

806
00:44:10,009 --> 00:44:07,140
to you Sedona for example Arizona it's

807
00:44:15,650 --> 00:44:10,019
been it's a mecca for those who are

808
00:44:20,329 --> 00:44:15,660
really into the the the mystery or some

809
00:44:22,900 --> 00:44:20,339
people even call the myth but yes I

810
00:44:26,660 --> 00:44:22,910
believe that this is part of UFO culture

811
00:44:28,249 --> 00:44:26,670
norio I know you wanted to be on for a

812
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:28,259
short time but I feel like we got a lot

813
00:44:33,259 --> 00:44:31,170
to talk about and what I'd like to do

814
00:44:35,539 --> 00:44:33,269
I've had a couple of weeks I've had a

815
00:44:37,759 --> 00:44:35,549
couple of problems with getting guests

816
00:44:40,190 --> 00:44:37,769
so what I'd like for you to do if it's

817
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:40,200
all right with you is to hang on while I

818
00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:43,170
add the next guest to the conversation

819
00:44:51,279 --> 00:44:47,730
and if he is not answering then I'll

820
00:44:55,700 --> 00:44:51,289
have you to fall back on how's that well

821
00:44:59,930 --> 00:44:55,710
unfortunately yes I have to leave right

822
00:45:03,229 --> 00:44:59,940
now but definitely I would like to get

823
00:45:08,299 --> 00:45:03,239
on your program in again in the very

824
00:45:10,339 --> 00:45:08,309
near future longer than today okay that

825
00:45:12,289 --> 00:45:10,349
sounds great well I'm gonna try the next

826
00:45:14,089 --> 00:45:12,299
guest and thanks so much norio I really

827
00:45:16,579 --> 00:45:14,099
appreciate it it was great talking to

828
00:45:19,489 --> 00:45:16,589
you and yes we will definitely have you

829
00:45:25,519 --> 00:45:19,499
back on thank you so much Martin all

830
00:45:27,859 --> 00:45:25,529
right you take care all right hanging

831
00:45:31,299 --> 00:45:27,869
everyone we're trying our next guests

832
00:45:33,979 --> 00:45:31,309
here Simon

833
00:45:36,529 --> 00:45:33,989
hi Moulton how you doing can you believe

834
00:45:37,339 --> 00:45:36,539
that we got you on the last couple weeks

835
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:37,349
I've had some

836
00:45:42,469 --> 00:45:39,690
trouble with connecting with guests so

837
00:45:44,779 --> 00:45:42,479
this worked as smooth as can be welcome

838
00:45:47,029 --> 00:45:44,789
to the show Simon thanks so much

839
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:47,039
positive it's great to be here well I

840
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:48,720
don't know how great it is what time is

841
00:45:57,259 --> 00:45:53,450
it in the morning there exactly wrong 46

842
00:45:58,819 --> 00:45:57,269
647 and so oh yes and now you you told

843
00:46:01,519 --> 00:45:58,829
me today that you have to get up early I

844
00:46:04,430 --> 00:46:01,529
feel for you I really appreciate you

845
00:46:06,259 --> 00:46:04,440
coming on the show now last time you

846
00:46:08,180 --> 00:46:06,269
were on the show I don't know if I ever

847
00:46:10,809 --> 00:46:08,190
told you this but your show got a lot of

848
00:46:13,759 --> 00:46:10,819
downloads you have a lot of people are

849
00:46:17,450 --> 00:46:13,769
are paying attention to you and what you

850
00:46:19,009 --> 00:46:17,460
do can you give the listener that did

851
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:19,019
not hear your show the first time which

852
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:21,599
was a few years ago basically your

853
00:46:25,460 --> 00:46:24,089
background and what got you interested

854
00:46:31,700 --> 00:46:25,470
in the topic and then we'll talk about

855
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:31,710
your movie yeah sure um I'm gonna think

856
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:34,640
now cast on behind back about 20 years

857
00:46:43,969 --> 00:46:39,690
it was around 1989 or 1990 actually

858
00:46:47,180 --> 00:46:43,979
heard Timothy good on the radio and it

859
00:46:49,729 --> 00:46:47,190
was a lay night show and he was talking

860
00:46:51,499 --> 00:46:49,739
about a lot of the stuff that you know a

861
00:46:54,469 --> 00:46:51,509
lot of us are aware of now whether it

862
00:46:57,049 --> 00:46:54,479
was you know certain people disclosing

863
00:47:00,559 --> 00:46:57,059
information military witness accounts

864
00:47:03,170 --> 00:47:00,569
etc but this was before the days of the

865
00:47:05,509 --> 00:47:03,180
internet and it was certainly before the

866
00:47:07,849 --> 00:47:05,519
days of the x-files and to hear somebody

867
00:47:12,259 --> 00:47:07,859
speak in such a manner about this

868
00:47:13,849 --> 00:47:12,269
subject in such detail it had an effect

869
00:47:15,769 --> 00:47:13,859
on me you know it did have a big impact

870
00:47:18,559 --> 00:47:15,779
and it was at that point when I thought

871
00:47:21,709 --> 00:47:18,569
I really needed to take a look at the

872
00:47:22,459 --> 00:47:21,719
subject because it really took me by

873
00:47:24,890 --> 00:47:22,469
surprise

874
00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:24,900
and I spent that summer trying to find

875
00:47:29,420 --> 00:47:28,049
every book I could find on the UFL topic

876
00:47:31,759 --> 00:47:29,430
which I've got to be honest with you

877
00:47:33,140 --> 00:47:31,769
Martin wasn't very many books back in

878
00:47:35,509 --> 00:47:33,150
those days I think it was about seven or

879
00:47:38,779 --> 00:47:35,519
eight books in my local library and

880
00:47:41,809 --> 00:47:38,789
that's that's where it all began aha

881
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:41,819
and I remember if I I think I remember

882
00:47:46,999 --> 00:47:45,210
you're saying that basically your area

883
00:47:49,150 --> 00:47:47,009
where you live in is there's a lot of

884
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:49,160
cloud cover am I getting that right

885
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:51,040
you're absolutely

886
00:47:58,260 --> 00:47:54,610
yes it's generally gray clouds the north

887
00:47:59,760 --> 00:47:58,270
of England is especially being on one

888
00:48:02,310 --> 00:47:59,770
particular side of the Pennine this

889
00:48:05,100 --> 00:48:02,320
means that the weather pattern where we

890
00:48:07,020 --> 00:48:05,110
are is is you know gives a it basically

891
00:48:09,180 --> 00:48:07,030
doesn't give any any clear skies very

892
00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:09,190
often other recently it's been it's been

893
00:48:12,930 --> 00:48:11,110
a lot better but yeah generally we my

894
00:48:15,780 --> 00:48:12,940
memory of growing up is a lot of rain

895
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:15,790
walking to school so yeah now how far

896
00:48:20,970 --> 00:48:17,890
just because I don't know where this is

897
00:48:22,020 --> 00:48:20,980
where it's Warminster from you how far

898
00:48:24,030 --> 00:48:22,030
away is that

899
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:24,040
I couldn't say exactly how many miles

900
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:28,000
but it's probably around 200 oh okay so

901
00:48:32,430 --> 00:48:29,530
it's not really that far away and that

902
00:48:35,630 --> 00:48:32,440
that was a as far as I know it's still

903
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:35,640
an ongoing hot spot or has been

904
00:48:39,110 --> 00:48:37,570
apparently so I've got to be honest

905
00:48:42,990 --> 00:48:39,120
Martin it's not something I'm

906
00:48:44,850 --> 00:48:43,000
particularly familiar with so it's not

907
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,860
something I could really comment on with

908
00:48:50,250 --> 00:48:46,960
any with any authority but but so I

909
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:50,260
believe the distinctive the things going

910
00:48:55,770 --> 00:48:52,450
on down there but I'm not familiar with

911
00:48:57,540 --> 00:48:55,780
the case well now going back to Timothy

912
00:49:02,670 --> 00:48:57,550
good he was um he was on the show

913
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:02,680
briefly he I got to meet him I don't

914
00:49:07,340 --> 00:49:04,480
know two years ago down in North

915
00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:07,350
Carolina real nice guy smart he's a

916
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:14,110
concert violinist but you know he he

917
00:49:19,610 --> 00:49:16,930
comes under a lot of controversy these

918
00:49:24,930 --> 00:49:19,620
days some of the books he's written and

919
00:49:27,090 --> 00:49:24,940
very popular and very another one who a

920
00:49:29,910 --> 00:49:27,100
lot of people follow and listen to

921
00:49:31,710 --> 00:49:29,920
everything he says but he's gotten in a

922
00:49:33,540 --> 00:49:31,720
little bit of controversy nothing that

923
00:49:37,230 --> 00:49:33,550
he's done deliberately just some of the

924
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:37,240
topics he's spoken on and I don't know

925
00:49:42,060 --> 00:49:39,690
where I'm going with this exactly but I

926
00:49:42,930 --> 00:49:42,070
really enjoyed meeting him seem like a

927
00:49:45,060 --> 00:49:42,940
real nice guy

928
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:45,070
have you actually sat and talked with

929
00:49:52,350 --> 00:49:49,210
him yeah I've met him a few times in

930
00:49:54,180 --> 00:49:52,360
fact the last time he was at a UFO

931
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:54,190
conference in Yorkshire about two years

932
00:49:58,530 --> 00:49:57,130
ago and we met the evening before we had

933
00:50:02,490 --> 00:49:58,540
dinner and quite a lengthy conversation

934
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:02,500
so it's funny you should say that though

935
00:50:06,510 --> 00:50:04,570
I mean first of all can I just say I

936
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:06,520
the next you know huge amount of time

937
00:50:14,250 --> 00:50:10,720
for Tim as she say particularly lovely

938
00:50:17,700 --> 00:50:14,260
man a very gentle man and Anna gentlemen

939
00:50:20,670 --> 00:50:17,710
in the old sense of the word but um yes

940
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:20,680
in terms of his more recent work in his

941
00:50:26,670 --> 00:50:24,160
more recent books I mean I have to say

942
00:50:28,650 --> 00:50:26,680
he has gone a bit more controversial now

943
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:28,660
I did say this to him on on the night we

944
00:50:32,850 --> 00:50:30,250
met as for the last time we saw each

945
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:32,860
other I did say that you know it did

946
00:50:39,180 --> 00:50:36,850
seem he was becoming more more out there

947
00:50:42,750 --> 00:50:39,190
more out on a limb with his views or the

948
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:42,760
cases he was looking at and it's funny

949
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:44,800
you know his reaction he had this this

950
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:46,720
kind of wry smile about him and he and

951
00:50:52,170 --> 00:50:50,650
he he basically said I can't members

952
00:50:53,460 --> 00:50:52,180
exact words but he was making the point

953
00:50:57,210 --> 00:50:53,470
that well you know this is a

954
00:50:59,010 --> 00:50:57,220
controversial subject and it seems to me

955
00:51:01,830 --> 00:50:59,020
that I think the longer you're in it the

956
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:01,840
longer you involved in it this is a it's

957
00:51:07,290 --> 00:51:04,090
a risk I think for some people and maybe

958
00:51:10,410 --> 00:51:07,300
a danger you know I like I said I've got

959
00:51:12,930 --> 00:51:10,420
a huge amount of time for Tim I'm not

960
00:51:15,180 --> 00:51:12,940
quite so sure where he's going with some

961
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:15,190
of the material and he's in his latest

962
00:51:19,380 --> 00:51:16,720
books I mean for me you know above top

963
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:19,390
secret we all know a massive best best

964
00:51:24,450 --> 00:51:21,610
seller in it a massive a hugely

965
00:51:25,980 --> 00:51:24,460
important piece of work for for the

966
00:51:26,580 --> 00:51:25,990
topic of UFOs and for a lot of people

967
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:26,590
around the world

968
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:28,960
I think Tim probably introduced a lot of

969
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:31,330
people to the subject back in back in

970
00:51:35,850 --> 00:51:34,210
the late 80s but yeah where is going in

971
00:51:38,940 --> 00:51:35,860
the last in the last couple years I'm

972
00:51:43,050 --> 00:51:38,950
I'm just interested to see where it goes

973
00:51:45,260 --> 00:51:43,060
really yeah right yeah that book that

974
00:51:48,090 --> 00:51:45,270
you just mentioned above top secret that

975
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:48,100
I've always heard a lot of good about I

976
00:51:53,900 --> 00:51:50,290
don't have the book myself but I've

977
00:51:58,260 --> 00:51:53,910
heard and it's a very good book and but

978
00:52:01,020 --> 00:51:58,270
so getting back we have you for the

979
00:52:03,570 --> 00:52:01,030
whole next hour too and but I wanted to

980
00:52:05,580 --> 00:52:03,580
just talk about what was the genesis of

981
00:52:07,610 --> 00:52:05,590
this documentary that you recently put

982
00:52:10,260 --> 00:52:07,620
together and the name of it

983
00:52:14,670 --> 00:52:10,270
yeah the film's called cosmic whistle

984
00:52:18,769 --> 00:52:14,680
blows and it all began when Jesse Marcel

985
00:52:21,390 --> 00:52:18,779
jr. came to the UK

986
00:52:26,039 --> 00:52:21,400
crikey it was around four or five years

987
00:52:27,930 --> 00:52:26,049
ago now maybe 2007 2008 it could be it

988
00:52:31,470 --> 00:52:27,940
could be no be later than that she may

989
00:52:34,170 --> 00:52:31,480
be 2009 I'm not sure the year but that's

990
00:52:37,799 --> 00:52:34,180
where I first met with Don Schmidt who

991
00:52:38,940 --> 00:52:37,809
was also on the trip and I think he was

992
00:52:40,890 --> 00:52:38,950
promoting his last book at the time

993
00:52:44,519 --> 00:52:40,900
which would have been witness to Roswell

994
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:44,529
and we began a conversation there and

995
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:47,410
that's where the idea began Don told me

996
00:52:52,349 --> 00:52:49,450
I think even back then that he was still

997
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:52,359
getting new witnesses to the case and he

998
00:52:56,730 --> 00:52:53,680
was getting new witnesses all of the

999
00:52:59,250 --> 00:52:56,740
time so it all but it all began there

1000
00:53:01,289 --> 00:52:59,260
really we reestablished contacts maybe a

1001
00:53:03,809 --> 00:53:01,299
year or two later and that's where

1002
00:53:05,460 --> 00:53:03,819
discussions began about maybe looking at

1003
00:53:09,089 --> 00:53:05,470
doing something and getting getting some

1004
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:09,099
entities on camera mm-hmm and so you did

1005
00:53:14,250 --> 00:53:12,000
a lot of traveling for its it is the

1006
00:53:17,940 --> 00:53:14,260
first of all as a movie and the can is

1007
00:53:19,890 --> 00:53:17,950
it done yes I am pleased to say more

1008
00:53:22,170 --> 00:53:19,900
than two years later cosmic

1009
00:53:25,710 --> 00:53:22,180
whistleblowers got wrapped in the sort

1010
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:25,720
of this year we finished shooting in

1011
00:53:34,170 --> 00:53:30,970
Mexico City and in Washington DC and we

1012
00:53:35,549 --> 00:53:34,180
we successfully were chosen for the rain

1013
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:35,559
that's Film Festival this year in London

1014
00:53:40,289 --> 00:53:38,650
and the film actually had this it's a

1015
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:40,299
world premiere in the West End in London

1016
00:53:45,049 --> 00:53:43,119
in the interview Piccadilly cinema and a

1017
00:53:48,690 --> 00:53:45,059
200 seater

1018
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:48,700
cinema in September and audience seemed

1019
00:53:53,250 --> 00:53:50,319
to genuinely love the film which

1020
00:53:54,769 --> 00:53:53,260
obviously is every filmmakers filmmakers

1021
00:53:57,150 --> 00:53:54,779
dream really that's all you can hope for

1022
00:54:00,690 --> 00:53:57,160
that it's well received because it was a

1023
00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:00,700
it was a huge task to make this happen

1024
00:54:05,370 --> 00:54:02,529
I've got to be honest with you Martin

1025
00:54:08,819 --> 00:54:05,380
I'm sure a lot of people have no idea

1026
00:54:11,940 --> 00:54:08,829
what's involved in something like this I

1027
00:54:15,150 --> 00:54:11,950
know everything starts with an idea

1028
00:54:18,359 --> 00:54:15,160
that's what they say first and from

1029
00:54:21,420 --> 00:54:18,369
there you know there's the storyboarding

1030
00:54:26,579 --> 00:54:21,430
there's well more or less a screenplay

1031
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:26,589
even though it's a documentary so a lot

1032
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:30,880
of times something like this is a is not

1033
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:32,410
really a moneymaker

1034
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:34,450
you know people say a lot of times you

1035
00:54:39,630 --> 00:54:37,690
know that UFO documentaries do not make

1036
00:54:42,329 --> 00:54:39,640
any money or most documentaries do not

1037
00:54:43,829 --> 00:54:42,339
make any money but yet you have to have

1038
00:54:47,370 --> 00:54:43,839
a passion for it is that is that

1039
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:47,380
basically what what got you going and

1040
00:54:51,390 --> 00:54:50,410
kept you going absolutely correct and I

1041
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:51,400
couldn't have put it better myself

1042
00:54:56,849 --> 00:54:54,400
really it it it has to be something that

1043
00:54:58,740 --> 00:54:56,859
in fact I could put it put it this way a

1044
00:55:01,620 --> 00:54:58,750
friend of mine recently you know that's

1045
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:01,630
from the same kind of question you know

1046
00:55:05,999 --> 00:55:04,569
why did you make the film and the answer

1047
00:55:07,980 --> 00:55:06,009
came to me wasn't really a film that I

1048
00:55:11,940 --> 00:55:07,990
wanted to make but it was more a film I

1049
00:55:14,279 --> 00:55:11,950
had to make at the time Don said he had

1050
00:55:20,249 --> 00:55:14,289
new witnesses which was the hook to the

1051
00:55:21,839 --> 00:55:20,259
entire idea it was I think it was maybe

1052
00:55:23,690 --> 00:55:21,849
Nick Pope and a couple of other people I

1053
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:23,700
was reading even a couple years ago this

1054
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:25,930
they were putting this idea over the

1055
00:55:30,509 --> 00:55:29,410
Roswell case was dead and why were

1056
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:30,519
people bothering with it

1057
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:33,930
for me I I had the other idea that maybe

1058
00:55:39,150 --> 00:55:36,400
you know there were some witnesses that

1059
00:55:42,420 --> 00:55:39,160
were still alive which of course there

1060
00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:42,430
are but very few of them then they

1061
00:55:45,569 --> 00:55:43,569
seemed to me that we should probably

1062
00:55:49,620 --> 00:55:45,579
speak to them at least one more time and

1063
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:49,630
put them on the record and and go from

1064
00:55:55,829 --> 00:55:53,650
there and did you did you actually speak

1065
00:55:58,559 --> 00:55:55,839
with with some of these witnesses oh

1066
00:56:01,170 --> 00:55:58,569
absolutely yeah I mean we met with some

1067
00:56:03,569 --> 00:56:01,180
of them in Roswell itself couple of them

1068
00:56:05,240 --> 00:56:03,579
have been on camera before people you

1069
00:56:10,109 --> 00:56:05,250
know names you'll know like Frank Iero

1070
00:56:12,509 --> 00:56:10,119
for example and and after awesome show

1071
00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:12,519
catches now lives out in in Mobile

1072
00:56:16,799 --> 00:56:14,710
Alabama he was part of the five on that

1073
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:16,809
wing command group and actually on the

1074
00:56:21,740 --> 00:56:18,640
plane that flew the wreckage out of

1075
00:56:24,809 --> 00:56:21,750
Roswell in 47 so I actually met with

1076
00:56:27,749 --> 00:56:24,819
with him as well but we also had a

1077
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:27,759
couple of new secondhand witnesses shall

1078
00:56:33,390 --> 00:56:30,490
we call them so people who were given

1079
00:56:35,180 --> 00:56:33,400
testimony from first-time witnesses but

1080
00:56:38,370 --> 00:56:35,190
but accounts which we'd not heard before

1081
00:56:41,309 --> 00:56:38,380
and angles that we not heard before as

1082
00:56:42,749 --> 00:56:41,319
well so we did have some new witnesses I

1083
00:56:43,220 --> 00:56:42,759
wouldn't like well they weren't direct

1084
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:43,230
witnesses

1085
00:56:48,010 --> 00:56:45,810
I wouldn't say that but certainly direct

1086
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:48,020
connections to the case family members

1087
00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:53,130
sons son in laws etc that were given you

1088
00:56:55,790 --> 00:56:53,369
know

1089
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:55,800
testimony from the people who were there

1090
00:57:00,440 --> 00:56:57,930
on the actual day so you know we had a

1091
00:57:03,770 --> 00:57:00,450
real nice mix of our first first

1092
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:03,780
witnesses and some new new names that

1093
00:57:08,690 --> 00:57:07,170
that were connected to the case but that

1094
00:57:10,430 --> 00:57:08,700
I mean I've got to say I'm sure we'll

1095
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:10,440
cover it as time comes on Martine if

1096
00:57:15,170 --> 00:57:12,810
you've got more questions but that was

1097
00:57:17,570 --> 00:57:15,180
kind of just the beginning of the film

1098
00:57:20,780 --> 00:57:17,580
really what what began as a fairly

1099
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:20,790
modest notion of just getting some of

1100
00:57:24,590 --> 00:57:23,010
these interviews on camera because

1101
00:57:26,540 --> 00:57:24,600
things in documentary the thing with

1102
00:57:28,430 --> 00:57:26,550
documentary Martin is ISM as I'm sure

1103
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:28,440
you may know that things don't always go

1104
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:30,210
to plan it's not like shooting a feature

1105
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:31,530
you don't quite know what's going to

1106
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:34,650
happen and on the first day that we

1107
00:57:38,300 --> 00:57:36,570
landed in Albuquerque my first interview

1108
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:38,310
actually pulled out at the very last

1109
00:57:44,599 --> 00:57:42,290
minute gave us a massive problem I

1110
00:57:47,150 --> 00:57:44,609
wasn't quite sure what to do so we

1111
00:57:50,660 --> 00:57:47,160
started rolling the cameras without

1112
00:57:52,670 --> 00:57:50,670
having an interview to do and it kind of

1113
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:52,680
set a precedent for how the film would

1114
00:57:58,099 --> 00:57:56,130
would would take shape and yeah that's

1115
00:58:01,000 --> 00:57:58,109
what that's where it all started huh so

1116
00:58:04,310 --> 00:58:01,010
by accident you you started a precedent

1117
00:58:06,250 --> 00:58:04,320
yeah because we we didn't really we

1118
00:58:08,770 --> 00:58:06,260
didn't know what was around the corner

1119
00:58:12,770 --> 00:58:08,780
the next day when we landed in Roswell

1120
00:58:14,330 --> 00:58:12,780
we had more people kind of potentially

1121
00:58:16,490 --> 00:58:14,340
pulling out with some difficulties with

1122
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:16,500
some of the witnesses that dönitz set up

1123
00:58:22,790 --> 00:58:20,490
or tried to set up for us so things you

1124
00:58:24,740 --> 00:58:22,800
know didn't always go as we hoped they

1125
00:58:29,780 --> 00:58:24,750
would and and it started happening

1126
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:29,790
pretty early on in the process so so

1127
00:58:32,990 --> 00:58:31,050
yeah but you know that's documentary

1128
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:33,000
that's documentary filmmaking that's

1129
00:58:38,750 --> 00:58:36,480
that's the business you know it's it's

1130
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:38,760
our job or my job just to film things as

1131
00:58:41,090 --> 00:58:40,290
they unfold and you know you can't

1132
00:58:46,370 --> 00:58:41,100
always predict what's going to happen

1133
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:46,380
right now okay so the living witnesses

1134
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:49,440
they're all like in their 90s are pretty

1135
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:53,690
close to their 90s at this point

1136
00:58:56,930 --> 00:58:56,160
did you whit did you actually interview

1137
00:59:00,079 --> 00:58:56,940
anyone

1138
00:59:04,130 --> 00:59:00,089
that was a direct witness or was it were

1139
00:59:06,349 --> 00:59:04,140
they all the second hand witness no I

1140
00:59:09,079 --> 00:59:06,359
would say direct I mean it depends on

1141
00:59:11,569 --> 00:59:09,089
how you how you grade these people I

1142
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:11,579
suppose if grades the right word Frank

1143
00:59:17,390 --> 00:59:14,730
Iero we've all heard half of course her

1144
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:17,400
dad was damned why the first fireman on

1145
00:59:21,410 --> 00:59:19,890
scene at the crash site if if this is to

1146
00:59:22,940 --> 00:59:21,420
be believed I know there's some

1147
00:59:24,500 --> 00:59:22,950
controversy and some question marks

1148
00:59:26,660 --> 00:59:24,510
still of a certain aspects of this story

1149
00:59:29,329 --> 00:59:26,670
and I'd like to just say Martin for the

1150
00:59:31,730 --> 00:59:29,339
listeners out there and anyone that I've

1151
00:59:34,010 --> 00:59:31,740
never put myself forward as a UFO expert

1152
00:59:37,220 --> 00:59:34,020
I just wanted to make that distinction

1153
00:59:40,180 --> 00:59:37,230
I'm someone with an interest a passion

1154
00:59:42,890 --> 00:59:40,190
obsession but if you want to call it

1155
00:59:44,900 --> 00:59:42,900
with the notion that this project was

1156
00:59:47,359 --> 00:59:44,910
worth doing but I've never put myself as

1157
00:59:49,550 --> 00:59:47,369
forward as a roswell expert so just bear

1158
00:59:51,559 --> 00:59:49,560
with me fine I'm not entirely up to

1159
00:59:53,690 --> 00:59:51,569
speed on some of the the facts but in

1160
00:59:57,559 --> 00:59:53,700
terms of my film and my witnesses Frank

1161
01:00:00,559 --> 00:59:57,569
Iero daughter of Dan Dwyer first fireman

1162
01:00:06,290 --> 01:00:00,569
on scene according to well certainly Don

1163
01:00:08,569 --> 01:00:06,300
Schmitt and Tom Carrie and she held some

1164
01:00:13,130 --> 01:00:08,579
of the fragments of the UFO in her in

1165
01:00:15,890 --> 01:00:13,140
her own hands that's her story she was

1166
01:00:17,690 --> 01:00:15,900
in the fire station on the day around

1167
01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:17,700
the day that happened because she she'd

1168
01:00:20,690 --> 01:00:19,200
got an abscess on a tooth she'd been to

1169
01:00:23,329 --> 01:00:20,700
the dentist and she was waiting for ad

1170
01:00:25,339 --> 01:00:23,339
out in the fire station and the way she

1171
01:00:28,670 --> 01:00:25,349
describes the story and I'm sure people

1172
01:00:30,500 --> 01:00:28,680
have heard this before but the fireman

1173
01:00:32,750 --> 01:00:30,510
her dad and a couple of the crew came

1174
01:00:34,609 --> 01:00:32,760
back had some of this material you know

1175
01:00:39,410 --> 01:00:34,619
she basically describes what what we now

1176
01:00:41,059 --> 01:00:39,420
would think of as memory metal and so

1177
01:00:44,750 --> 01:00:41,069
yeah I guess she's kind of a first-hand

1178
01:00:47,630 --> 01:00:44,760
witness I suppose and the the story that

1179
01:00:49,849 --> 01:00:47,640
her dad puts to her was that not only

1180
01:00:51,829 --> 01:00:49,859
there were pieces on the ground but I

1181
01:00:56,930 --> 01:00:51,839
mean she does go into the aspect of

1182
01:00:59,599 --> 01:00:56,940
seeing seeing bodies which you know I've

1183
01:01:01,700 --> 01:00:59,609
got to say that's where I start to get

1184
01:01:04,790 --> 01:01:01,710
more challenged with with with what

1185
01:01:06,500 --> 01:01:04,800
happened but that's her story yeah yeah

1186
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:06,510
we'll talk a little bit about that in

1187
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:07,530
the second hour we're going to take a

1188
01:01:10,830 --> 01:01:09,930
break here because I there's something

1189
01:01:13,620 --> 01:01:10,840
that's always puzzled

1190
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:13,630
about Roswell and I'd like to discuss it

1191
01:01:18,030 --> 01:01:16,090
with you so hang in there ruin we're

1192
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:18,040
going to have a quick music break and

1193
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:19,930
Simon won't you say goodbye to the

1194
01:01:22,070 --> 01:01:21,250
people that only listen to the first

1195
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:22,080
hour

1196
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:25,290
okay well it's nice to be with you and

1197
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:27,850
hopefully I've had something of interest

1198
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:29,650
to share with you guys thanks for

1199
01:01:53,010 --> 01:01:31,690
sticking around yep okay so hang in

1200
01:01:58,790 --> 01:01:53,020
everyone all right by the way the music

1201
01:02:02,190 --> 01:01:58,800
on the show is by whoops hold on that is

1202
01:02:04,410 --> 01:02:02,200
that happened before and it's an iTunes

1203
01:02:06,690 --> 01:02:04,420
thing sorry about that music on this

1204
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:06,700
show is provided by Carrie Lloyd

1205
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:11,050
Whitehouse a fan over in Ireland and one

1206
01:02:17,010 --> 01:02:13,090
of the things that that's always puzzled

1207
01:02:18,270 --> 01:02:17,020
me on this this Roswell thing and I know

1208
01:02:21,350 --> 01:02:18,280
you're saying you're not a Roswell

1209
01:02:25,500 --> 01:02:21,360
expert but is the two crash sites

1210
01:02:27,210 --> 01:02:25,510
there's always the second crash site is

1211
01:02:30,060 --> 01:02:27,220
where they're saying the body were and

1212
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:30,070
all that and there was a some type of

1213
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:32,170
vehicle the size of a Volkswagen bug

1214
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:36,490
I've just heard these descriptions why

1215
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:41,170
were they so far apart Stan Freedman

1216
01:02:46,370 --> 01:02:43,690
thinks it was a collision other people

1217
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:46,380
say no it wasn't a collision it was a

1218
01:02:53,730 --> 01:02:51,090
ejection of a pod you know that crashed

1219
01:02:55,590 --> 01:02:53,740
separately and you know all that stuff I

1220
01:02:58,440 --> 01:02:55,600
mean I don't think anyone's going to

1221
01:03:03,150 --> 01:02:58,450
know the answer but did you did you

1222
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:03,160
explore any of these topics not in any

1223
01:03:08,340 --> 01:03:05,770
great detail I mean we were there mainly

1224
01:03:09,770 --> 01:03:08,350
for the witnesses that was the focus of

1225
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:09,780
the film and the focus of my attention

1226
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:14,410
we were there at the crash site which

1227
01:03:19,650 --> 01:03:17,650
was I guess what you call the first

1228
01:03:21,450 --> 01:03:19,660
crash site not not I'm not sure if it

1229
01:03:23,230 --> 01:03:21,460
was the second one the resting place Don

1230
01:03:25,300 --> 01:03:23,240
and the team did split up

1231
01:03:27,609 --> 01:03:25,310
whilst we were there and did actually

1232
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:27,619
look at both sites but we were mainly I

1233
01:03:31,990 --> 01:03:29,119
think it's like 1 which is where the

1234
01:03:34,990 --> 01:03:32,000
impact occurred I could be wrong

1235
01:03:38,620 --> 01:03:35,000
Don may may tell me it's the opposite

1236
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:38,630
but essentially from what I gather Don

1237
01:03:43,090 --> 01:03:40,730
and Tom telling me their point of view

1238
01:03:46,540 --> 01:03:43,100
was it was about this speed that this

1239
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:46,550
thing was potentially traveling and and

1240
01:03:50,170 --> 01:03:48,770
that's how this thing you know went over

1241
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:50,180
large distances but I've got to say

1242
01:03:54,670 --> 01:03:51,890
that's not something I'm I'm sure about

1243
01:03:57,730 --> 01:03:54,680
yeah ok anyone listening live you can

1244
01:04:00,490 --> 01:03:57,740
jump over to our chat room at podcast

1245
01:04:03,670 --> 01:04:00,500
UFO comm we're on the line right now

1246
01:04:05,530 --> 01:04:03,680
with Simon Charmian from the UK and you

1247
01:04:08,260 --> 01:04:05,540
can also call in if you'd like that's a

1248
01:04:12,250 --> 01:04:08,270
good dialing overseas it's one six oh

1249
01:04:17,350 --> 01:04:12,260
three nine six seven four o3o if you're

1250
01:04:22,620 --> 01:04:17,360
skyping just marty willis ma RT y wi ll

1251
01:04:27,550 --> 01:04:22,630
i guess sometimes I forget my name so

1252
01:04:30,099 --> 01:04:27,560
excuse me so after you you'd interviewed

1253
01:04:32,020 --> 01:04:30,109
these well let me ask you this when

1254
01:04:36,310 --> 01:04:32,030
you're interviewing these people was

1255
01:04:39,270 --> 01:04:36,320
there any new information yeah there

1256
01:04:41,590 --> 01:04:39,280
were a couple of bits of information I

1257
01:04:45,250 --> 01:04:41,600
think the main one or one of the main

1258
01:04:47,530 --> 01:04:45,260
ones was that Frankie Road had basically

1259
01:04:51,250 --> 01:04:47,540
told or spoken with Don in the past

1260
01:04:52,420 --> 01:04:51,260
about having her phone tapped and it

1261
01:04:56,470 --> 01:04:52,430
says this is something she's never

1262
01:04:59,290 --> 01:04:56,480
spoken about before as a few years ago

1263
01:05:00,730 --> 01:04:59,300
now but I'm in the film you know the

1264
01:05:03,010 --> 01:05:00,740
interview she gives in the film explains

1265
01:05:05,020 --> 01:05:03,020
the story a lot better detail than I can

1266
01:05:06,910 --> 01:05:05,030
hear although I just finished editing

1267
01:05:08,349 --> 01:05:06,920
the film put it out though it's a funny

1268
01:05:10,090 --> 01:05:08,359
thing for making sometimes once you've

1269
01:05:11,710 --> 01:05:10,100
done it wrapped it up you're left with a

1270
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:11,720
massive space in your head I certainly I

1271
01:05:19,060 --> 01:05:14,810
am it's in terms of some of the details

1272
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:19,070
but in a nutshell she describes how when

1273
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:22,130
she was having a phone service putting

1274
01:05:27,730 --> 01:05:25,130
in our house the the engineer that came

1275
01:05:29,500 --> 01:05:27,740
to do it found this kind of box on the

1276
01:05:31,660 --> 01:05:29,510
line and basically went in and said look

1277
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:31,670
you've you've got something here that's

1278
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:33,890
you know shouldn't be here and it looks

1279
01:05:36,550 --> 01:05:35,570
like it's monitoring everything that

1280
01:05:40,690 --> 01:05:36,560
goes in and comes out

1281
01:05:44,110 --> 01:05:40,700
of your phone line and she apparently

1282
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:44,120
handed this item over to Don for

1283
01:05:49,450 --> 01:05:47,330
investigation this is what she told me

1284
01:05:52,540 --> 01:05:49,460
and what Don told me I don't know what

1285
01:05:53,860 --> 01:05:52,550
happened to that item that's the only

1286
01:05:56,110 --> 01:05:53,870
thing I'm not sure so in terms of

1287
01:05:59,770 --> 01:05:56,120
evidence I I didn't physically have that

1288
01:06:00,970 --> 01:05:59,780
in my hands but but so yeah that was a

1289
01:06:04,450 --> 01:06:00,980
new piece of information and presuming

1290
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:04,460
it's true then I mean that's kind of a

1291
01:06:10,180 --> 01:06:08,330
strange fact certainly for for someone

1292
01:06:11,710 --> 01:06:10,190
who apparently you know is making up

1293
01:06:13,420 --> 01:06:11,720
this story etc which is obviously what

1294
01:06:17,050 --> 01:06:13,430
what what people tried to say that she

1295
01:06:19,450 --> 01:06:17,060
just fabricated it yeah I was I was

1296
01:06:23,650 --> 01:06:19,460
looking to see if I could find online

1297
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:23,660
real quickly the history of phone

1298
01:06:31,450 --> 01:06:29,210
tapping it doesn't appear well okay yeah

1299
01:06:34,180 --> 01:06:31,460
starting starting all the way back in

1300
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:34,190
1928 it looks like yeah I guess I guess

1301
01:06:38,410 --> 01:06:36,410
it's been around awhile I'm sorry I

1302
01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:38,420
probably didn't describe that too well

1303
01:06:42,310 --> 01:06:40,640
but she was actually referring to much

1304
01:06:43,690 --> 01:06:42,320
later than the forties when this

1305
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:43,700
happened is when she was in a particular

1306
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:48,050
house yeah so this this I think this

1307
01:06:53,230 --> 01:06:51,250
happened maybe as late as the early 90s

1308
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:53,240
somewhere on now I'm not quite sure of

1309
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:54,650
the day she said now in fact I'm not

1310
01:06:57,700 --> 01:06:56,570
sure she gave me the day but I said I

1311
01:06:59,740 --> 01:06:57,710
was certainly under the impression it

1312
01:07:04,030 --> 01:06:59,750
was much later you know the one thing

1313
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:04,040
that that puzzles me a lot about the

1314
01:07:12,310 --> 01:07:07,730
whole Roswell thing is why everyone was

1315
01:07:14,170 --> 01:07:12,320
so quiet for 30 years until you know the

1316
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:14,180
whole thing started to break loose again

1317
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:16,850
about the about it happening you know I

1318
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:18,410
would think that more people would have

1319
01:07:27,090 --> 01:07:20,210
been talking about it but it seems to me

1320
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:27,100
that it was very quiet it's a good point

1321
01:07:35,370 --> 01:07:32,330
I'm not entirely sure how how correct

1322
01:07:38,170 --> 01:07:35,380
that point of view may be insofar as

1323
01:07:39,820 --> 01:07:38,180
let's say these people weren't speaking

1324
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:39,830
a great deal about so even if they were

1325
01:07:44,050 --> 01:07:42,410
chatting about it amongst themselves in

1326
01:07:47,170 --> 01:07:44,060
all fairness Martin how would you or I

1327
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:47,180
know that they were or weren't back as

1328
01:07:53,180 --> 01:07:50,250
far as you know even the fifties

1329
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:53,190
all the 70s how would you even know I

1330
01:07:56,870 --> 01:07:55,170
mean it seems to me that it's only the

1331
01:07:58,910 --> 01:07:56,880
last few years where obviously now we've

1332
01:08:02,750 --> 01:07:58,920
got you know complete and total coverage

1333
01:08:06,290 --> 01:08:02,760
of news as we have it but up till a few

1334
01:08:08,510 --> 01:08:06,300
years ago I think I mean what would the

1335
01:08:09,860 --> 01:08:08,520
press we're ignoring things anyway so

1336
01:08:12,590 --> 01:08:09,870
I'm not I'm not entirely sure that

1337
01:08:14,510 --> 01:08:12,600
that's that that view stands up for me I

1338
01:08:16,910 --> 01:08:14,520
think it's quite possible that they were

1339
01:08:20,030 --> 01:08:16,920
talking about it but nobody was asking

1340
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:20,040
them or nobody was interested yeah you

1341
01:08:25,460 --> 01:08:22,290
make a very good point

1342
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:25,470
I never really thought of it in that way

1343
01:08:30,230 --> 01:08:28,410
or you know maybe no one was interested

1344
01:08:32,690 --> 01:08:30,240
if someone did want to come forward you

1345
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:32,700
know I mean there's that one story about

1346
01:08:40,220 --> 01:08:36,330
the husband and wife in a grocery store

1347
01:08:42,410 --> 01:08:40,230
and he's reading the National Enquirer

1348
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:42,420
when the story broke unfortunately had

1349
01:08:49,490 --> 01:08:45,600
to break in that Roswell broke in that

1350
01:08:51,890 --> 01:08:49,500
and and the widow of this man you know

1351
01:08:53,450 --> 01:08:51,900
says well that he told me everything you

1352
01:08:55,550 --> 01:08:53,460
know after he saw the story he said well

1353
01:08:59,300 --> 01:08:55,560
if everyone's talking about it here's my

1354
01:09:02,749 --> 01:08:59,310
point and I think he was involved also

1355
01:09:07,999 --> 01:09:02,759
in the aircraft that transported the

1356
01:09:10,130 --> 01:09:08,009
debris yeah I'm not sure who that would

1357
01:09:12,019 --> 01:09:10,140
have been but I mean who's that

1358
01:09:13,579 --> 01:09:12,029
researcher now his name escapes me but

1359
01:09:15,740 --> 01:09:13,589
there's one chap who did a lot of

1360
01:09:18,079 --> 01:09:15,750
research on on making that connection

1361
01:09:20,030 --> 01:09:18,089
between you know the CIA and the

1362
01:09:23,210 --> 01:09:20,040
security services and the National

1363
01:09:26,150 --> 01:09:23,220
Enquirer itself he makes a very good

1364
01:09:28,820 --> 01:09:26,160
argument very strong argument yes how

1365
01:09:30,170 --> 01:09:28,830
that you know actually you know real

1366
01:09:32,480 --> 01:09:30,180
stories to actually put out through the

1367
01:09:35,090 --> 01:09:32,490
inquiry you know just to to help you

1368
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:35,100
know help keep the observation going

1369
01:09:41,180 --> 01:09:37,170
yeah there was a connection between the

1370
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:41,190
CIA CIA former CIA agent actually bought

1371
01:09:46,490 --> 01:09:43,290
the enquire if I read that's right yeah

1372
01:09:47,450 --> 01:09:46,500
yeah but you know I don't know I look I

1373
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:47,460
mean I don't really sound like I'm

1374
01:09:50,630 --> 01:09:49,170
grasping at straws but my point is just

1375
01:09:53,300 --> 01:09:50,640
because it's in the inquiry does it make

1376
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:53,310
it does it make it a completely invalid

1377
01:09:58,100 --> 01:09:56,130
story well again I'm not sure it does

1378
01:10:01,250 --> 01:09:58,110
yes of course it brings it into question

1379
01:10:03,470 --> 01:10:01,260
in a much more in a harsher light but I

1380
01:10:03,899 --> 01:10:03,480
don't necessarily think it means that

1381
01:10:06,839 --> 01:10:03,909
the

1382
01:10:08,879 --> 01:10:06,849
you just have to disregard it hang on

1383
01:10:11,189 --> 01:10:08,889
just one second were in the chat room

1384
01:10:15,359 --> 01:10:11,199
they're saying we're having sound glitch

1385
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:15,369
I just want to see if it's back which

1386
01:10:20,729 --> 01:10:17,530
which can happen occasionally on this

1387
01:10:24,779 --> 01:10:20,739
show okay it's back and we're good all

1388
01:10:27,089 --> 01:10:24,789
right well that is interesting that you

1389
01:10:28,529 --> 01:10:27,099
were I didn't know you know I looked I

1390
01:10:32,879 --> 01:10:28,539
watched the trailer but I wasn't aware

1391
01:10:37,350 --> 01:10:32,889
that it was actually Roswell witnesses

1392
01:10:39,659 --> 01:10:37,360
and I think someone on the skeptical

1393
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:39,669
side said something like oh yeah there

1394
01:10:42,689 --> 01:10:41,050
was all of a sudden there was a bunch of

1395
01:10:44,939 --> 01:10:42,699
witness as soon as the story came out

1396
01:10:47,390 --> 01:10:44,949
like they were fabricating stories and I

1397
01:10:49,949 --> 01:10:47,400
don't think that's the case I mean to me

1398
01:10:54,569 --> 01:10:49,959
it doesn't make a lot of sense why

1399
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:54,579
people would do that no I mean if I can

1400
01:10:58,439 --> 01:10:56,650
just say I mean from my point of view as

1401
01:11:00,750 --> 01:10:58,449
I said to in the beginning Martin I'm

1402
01:11:03,299 --> 01:11:00,760
not I'm not never claimed to be UFO

1403
01:11:04,979 --> 01:11:03,309
expert the people in the field who do

1404
01:11:07,049 --> 01:11:04,989
this research this they make it their

1405
01:11:08,909 --> 01:11:07,059
job and their full-time business to do

1406
01:11:12,179 --> 01:11:08,919
it and it's certainly not been my life's

1407
01:11:12,540 --> 01:11:12,189
work to do it what has been my life's

1408
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:12,550
work

1409
01:11:19,500 --> 01:11:16,449
or twenty years or so is interviewing

1410
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:19,510
people on camera those people have

1411
01:11:23,219 --> 01:11:21,489
ranged from you know the most simple

1412
01:11:26,250 --> 01:11:23,229
straightforward of people working people

1413
01:11:28,589 --> 01:11:26,260
through to pop stars movie stars you

1414
01:11:30,929 --> 01:11:28,599
know I've even filmed an ex Prime

1415
01:11:33,299 --> 01:11:30,939
Minister of the UK in number ten so I've

1416
01:11:34,770 --> 01:11:33,309
got quite a range of experience of

1417
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:34,780
putting people on camera and spending a

1418
01:11:41,189 --> 01:11:38,050
lot of time with them and I will say

1419
01:11:47,149 --> 01:11:41,199
this I didn't find any of the witnesses

1420
01:11:52,409 --> 01:11:50,129
in their way towards me I didn't think

1421
01:11:54,239 --> 01:11:52,419
that any of them were fabricating or

1422
01:11:57,419 --> 01:11:54,249
exaggerating anything the one thing I

1423
01:12:00,449 --> 01:11:57,429
did find was that if I was trying to be

1424
01:12:01,799 --> 01:12:00,459
very critical about it was that I mean

1425
01:12:06,330 --> 01:12:01,809
that she said these people were all in

1426
01:12:08,129 --> 01:12:06,340
their late 80s another chap Ken who was

1427
01:12:10,459 --> 01:12:08,139
a new witness second witness is in the

1428
01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:10,469
film actually the ex brother-in-law of

1429
01:12:16,030 --> 01:12:14,800
Frankie ro actually he was actually

1430
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:16,040
married to

1431
01:12:20,710 --> 01:12:19,520
sister in the past when it came to

1432
01:12:22,510 --> 01:12:20,720
comparing their stories because

1433
01:12:24,580 --> 01:12:22,520
essentially they were giving the same

1434
01:12:27,100 --> 01:12:24,590
story but from different points of view

1435
01:12:28,170 --> 01:12:27,110
as he'd spoken to Frankie's dad before

1436
01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:28,180
he died

1437
01:12:33,820 --> 01:12:31,760
back in the day there were some very

1438
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:33,830
slight discrepancies on how they would

1439
01:12:36,970 --> 01:12:35,930
describe details now you're probably

1440
01:12:39,490 --> 01:12:36,980
going to follow up and ask me what

1441
01:12:41,100 --> 01:12:39,500
livings and put her exactly I'm sorry to

1442
01:12:43,390 --> 01:12:41,110
say without going through the the old

1443
01:12:45,610 --> 01:12:43,400
footage I couldn't say exactly how it

1444
01:12:48,970 --> 01:12:45,620
came over but I do recall thinking

1445
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:48,980
that's not quite how Frankie told me or

1446
01:12:56,830 --> 01:12:53,530
vice versa however what I couldn't deny

1447
01:13:00,610 --> 01:12:56,840
and this was both for both Frankie and

1448
01:13:03,690 --> 01:13:00,620
Ken was their their absolute integrity

1449
01:13:06,070 --> 01:13:03,700
in terms of how they put the story over

1450
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:06,080
how it you know how they came about the

1451
01:13:14,380 --> 01:13:10,250
information at what they believed and in

1452
01:13:17,950 --> 01:13:14,390
my mind they absolutely 100% believed

1453
01:13:19,630 --> 01:13:17,960
what they told me to be the case there

1454
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:19,640
and you know for what it's worth I mean

1455
01:13:23,950 --> 01:13:21,290
I don't know what's that's working in

1456
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:23,960
real terms but from my point of view

1457
01:13:28,900 --> 01:13:26,570
that that added a great deal of weight

1458
01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:28,910
to the whole argument I I totally

1459
01:13:34,750 --> 01:13:31,840
understand and respect that because um I

1460
01:13:37,810 --> 01:13:34,760
have you know in the interviewing that

1461
01:13:41,350 --> 01:13:37,820
I've done face to face you really do get

1462
01:13:46,090 --> 01:13:41,360
a real feeling whether there's some BS

1463
01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:46,100
coming over and and I actually did

1464
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:49,520
interview someone I probably won't say

1465
01:13:57,250 --> 01:13:53,090
who it is but my BS meter was on full

1466
01:14:01,360 --> 01:13:57,260
blast but for the most part people like

1467
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:01,370
Travis Walton the two fellows that I

1468
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:03,170
interviewed about the allagash case I

1469
01:14:09,250 --> 01:14:06,650
felt like there was strong sincerity

1470
01:14:13,060 --> 01:14:09,260
then what they're what they're saying I

1471
01:14:15,220 --> 01:14:13,070
didn't have any feeling at all like some

1472
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:15,230
of it could be fabricated in any type of

1473
01:14:18,430 --> 01:14:16,330
way

1474
01:14:20,770 --> 01:14:18,440
yeah and it's it's a powerful thing

1475
01:14:24,220 --> 01:14:20,780
isn't it I think when you're in the

1476
01:14:28,210 --> 01:14:24,230
presence of that kind of very clear

1477
01:14:29,130 --> 01:14:28,220
intention seeming integrity and you know

1478
01:14:30,810 --> 01:14:29,140
when people

1479
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:30,820
we've got nothing to gain so be a bit of

1480
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:33,610
a cliche now that in the UFO subject but

1481
01:14:36,990 --> 01:14:34,810
you know these people do I have anything

1482
01:14:38,970 --> 01:14:37,000
to gain they really don't you know

1483
01:14:40,500 --> 01:14:38,980
Frankie well she has to she's like you

1484
01:14:42,090 --> 01:14:40,510
say she's not young she has to drive all

1485
01:14:44,100 --> 01:14:42,100
the way down I don't know she lived a

1486
01:14:46,650 --> 01:14:44,110
little bit out of where we did the

1487
01:14:48,330 --> 01:14:46,660
interviews same for Ken he actually

1488
01:14:51,300 --> 01:14:48,340
lived way out of Roswell he had to drive

1489
01:14:52,860 --> 01:14:51,310
quite away and you know wait around for

1490
01:14:54,570 --> 01:14:52,870
us to set up and film and you know he

1491
01:14:57,570 --> 01:14:54,580
wasn't getting paid and there's you know

1492
01:14:59,340 --> 01:14:57,580
there's no gain for them to do this it's

1493
01:15:01,290 --> 01:14:59,350
it's it's hard to think that they're

1494
01:15:03,060 --> 01:15:01,300
making this stuff up another sceptics

1495
01:15:04,650 --> 01:15:03,070
always you know fall back to so well

1496
01:15:07,260 --> 01:15:04,660
that's that's not proof of anything and

1497
01:15:09,780 --> 01:15:07,270
I agree with that when you've got many

1498
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:09,790
people pointing towards the same story

1499
01:15:13,710 --> 01:15:11,410
you don't have a reason to make it up

1500
01:15:16,140 --> 01:15:13,720
and who who individually don't know each

1501
01:15:19,470 --> 01:15:16,150
other then I don't know you've got to

1502
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:19,480
think I'd ask the question right there's

1503
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:21,970
a message question up on the message

1504
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:25,210
board after all of your research what is

1505
01:15:40,230 --> 01:15:38,430
you know 20-plus years I've been

1506
01:15:41,550 --> 01:15:40,240
interested in this and particularly

1507
01:15:46,740 --> 01:15:41,560
Roswell because that was obviously the

1508
01:15:49,290 --> 01:15:46,750
most famous case even back then I'm the

1509
01:15:51,690 --> 01:15:49,300
oldest answer is I'm obviously I'm still

1510
01:15:56,700 --> 01:15:51,700
not 100% certain of anything that's the

1511
01:16:00,540 --> 01:15:56,710
first thing to say if I was a betting

1512
01:16:04,250 --> 01:16:00,550
man which I'm generally not I would have

1513
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:04,260
to say that the evidence looks like

1514
01:16:11,310 --> 01:16:06,850
something really extraordinary happened

1515
01:16:14,610 --> 01:16:11,320
I agree and you know a lot of times well

1516
01:16:18,270 --> 01:16:14,620
I mentioned earlier I have a skeptic

1517
01:16:22,910 --> 01:16:18,280
next week Michael Shermer on I'm really

1518
01:16:28,350 --> 01:16:22,920
actually looking forward to that he's

1519
01:16:30,810 --> 01:16:28,360
someone that really he really has his

1520
01:16:32,850 --> 01:16:30,820
opinions on UFOs really strong opinions

1521
01:16:37,260 --> 01:16:32,860
on UFOs so it should be an interesting

1522
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:37,270
show but one of the things you hear you

1523
01:16:42,510 --> 01:16:40,210
know people like him say is the reason

1524
01:16:47,390 --> 01:16:42,520
they kept it secret you know was the

1525
01:16:51,510 --> 01:16:47,400
project mogul and on and on and on and

1526
01:16:53,460 --> 01:16:51,520
you know again I don't think it was a

1527
01:16:55,500 --> 01:16:53,470
weather balloon I don't I think it was

1528
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:55,510
too extraordinary for them to pay so

1529
01:17:00,780 --> 01:16:57,130
much attention to it

1530
01:17:03,660 --> 01:17:00,790
and there's also someone that I spoke

1531
01:17:05,310 --> 01:17:03,670
with that one of the things I have

1532
01:17:09,480 --> 01:17:05,320
always thought and have said a number of

1533
01:17:12,630 --> 01:17:09,490
times is how would the US Army Air Force

1534
01:17:15,660 --> 01:17:12,640
call something a crash disk or captured

1535
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:15,670
a disc or captured a flying saucer why

1536
01:17:23,130 --> 01:17:19,810
would they put that in type of why would

1537
01:17:24,710 --> 01:17:23,140
they put that out to the press if if it

1538
01:17:28,740 --> 01:17:24,720
was something different

1539
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:28,750
yeah I agree and as much as I think and

1540
01:17:32,460 --> 01:17:30,970
I do enjoy speaking to skeptics as I'm

1541
01:17:34,290 --> 01:17:32,470
not I'm not I mean I was actually

1542
01:17:36,150 --> 01:17:34,300
described as a self-confessed believing

1543
01:17:37,650 --> 01:17:36,160
a write-up about the film in London

1544
01:17:40,830 --> 01:17:37,660
which isn't quite true I've got to say

1545
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:40,840
but taking that out even speak to

1546
01:17:44,300 --> 01:17:42,370
skeptics it's always a I think it's

1547
01:17:48,810 --> 01:17:44,310
always good for the mind anyway but

1548
01:17:50,310 --> 01:17:48,820
taking that on board I mean why yeah so

1549
01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:50,320
I've lost my thread there but I just

1550
01:17:54,270 --> 01:17:52,960
don't really there's no there's no

1551
01:17:55,890 --> 01:17:54,280
rationale in that is there really and

1552
01:17:58,200 --> 01:17:55,900
I'm not quite sure what the skeptics

1553
01:17:59,880 --> 01:17:58,210
would say to that either in fact I'm not

1554
01:18:02,130 --> 01:17:59,890
sure what they say to that point because

1555
01:18:03,630 --> 01:18:02,140
as you say they they put it out in in

1556
01:18:05,610 --> 01:18:03,640
type and it was there for everyone to

1557
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:05,620
see which is why all this other cat got

1558
01:18:10,230 --> 01:18:07,570
out the bag in the first place well one

1559
01:18:12,110 --> 01:18:10,240
of them that I spoke with said that oh

1560
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:12,120
the reason they did that was because

1561
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:15,010
project mogul was a real secret real

1562
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:16,570
secretive and they didn't want anyone to

1563
01:18:21,660 --> 01:18:18,370
know about that and everybody was

1564
01:18:24,300 --> 01:18:21,670
talking about flying saucers so they

1565
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:24,310
focus the attention on that but why put

1566
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:26,650
anything out you know if that's the case

1567
01:18:31,170 --> 01:18:28,570
they didn't have to put any type of

1568
01:18:33,090 --> 01:18:31,180
press release out at all you know she

1569
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:33,100
wasn't enough people that knew about it

1570
01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:37,090
to warrant a press release so yeah yeah

1571
01:18:43,260 --> 01:18:39,450
you know that's my argument on that

1572
01:18:44,610 --> 01:18:43,270
against that side of it yeah it seems

1573
01:18:47,790 --> 01:18:44,620
fair enough alaih mean we can't really

1574
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:47,800
imagine what it was like I think as you

1575
01:18:51,810 --> 01:18:50,410
know it's kind of as the world as it was

1576
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:51,820
then as it is now you know you got

1577
01:18:55,959 --> 01:18:54,250
imagine you know 47 and and Roswell is

1578
01:18:58,180 --> 01:18:55,969
quiet I mean okay it's not

1579
01:18:59,950 --> 01:18:58,190
small city even now but when you think

1580
01:19:03,279 --> 01:18:59,960
back to where it is and certainly out

1581
01:19:05,620 --> 01:19:03,289
there you know even kind of the main

1582
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:05,630
roads quite often work even main roads

1583
01:19:09,250 --> 01:19:07,489
out there were there you know so it was

1584
01:19:11,709 --> 01:19:09,260
really a different a different world in

1585
01:19:13,390 --> 01:19:11,719
some way so yeah I just don't get it so

1586
01:19:17,919 --> 01:19:13,400
you went out to the crash site now that

1587
01:19:20,020 --> 01:19:17,929
is about 50 60 miles or yeah something

1588
01:19:22,629 --> 01:19:20,030
like that outside of Roswell right yeah

1589
01:19:25,509 --> 01:19:22,639
it's quite a drive it's north north

1590
01:19:27,459 --> 01:19:25,519
north northwest I think or north

1591
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:27,469
northeast one of the two but yeah it

1592
01:19:30,969 --> 01:19:28,610
took a little while to get out there

1593
01:19:33,729 --> 01:19:30,979
each day setting out at about 6 a.m. in

1594
01:19:36,279 --> 01:19:33,739
the morning you get there yeah it's a

1595
01:19:40,060 --> 01:19:36,289
good hour maybe a bit a bit longer than

1596
01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:40,070
that but yeah it's quite a drive I mean

1597
01:19:43,689 --> 01:19:42,320
I don't get too much away in about the

1598
01:19:44,950 --> 01:19:43,699
film although I probably need to give

1599
01:19:46,870 --> 01:19:44,960
more way than the trailer gives at the

1600
01:19:48,669 --> 01:19:46,880
most that kids literally nothing in fact

1601
01:19:52,899 --> 01:19:48,679
definitely my next job to cut a new

1602
01:19:55,660 --> 01:19:52,909
trailer but we did actually get lost in

1603
01:19:58,330 --> 01:19:55,670
the desert quite literally it's funny

1604
01:19:59,859 --> 01:19:58,340
Jaime misawa's was there by chance well

1605
01:20:01,000 --> 01:19:59,869
not by chance but he was at the same

1606
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:01,010
time I didn't know he's going to be

1607
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:04,130
there I'd not met him before then and on

1608
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:07,010
the second day without got into too much

1609
01:20:12,009 --> 01:20:09,650
detail here we we basically got split

1610
01:20:14,169 --> 01:20:12,019
from the main group and we were lost for

1611
01:20:16,149 --> 01:20:14,179
over an hour

1612
01:20:18,370 --> 01:20:16,159
and when I say lost I mean I mean really

1613
01:20:19,180 --> 01:20:18,380
lost you know I've got quite a good

1614
01:20:21,669 --> 01:20:19,190
sense of direction

1615
01:20:24,700 --> 01:20:21,679
you know travelled quite a lot with work

1616
01:20:28,270 --> 01:20:24,710
and and whatnot but yeah we had no phone

1617
01:20:31,799 --> 01:20:28,280
signal and of course we're very smart

1618
01:20:34,089 --> 01:20:31,809
not to have hardcopy maps in the vehicle

1619
01:20:37,390 --> 01:20:34,099
and of course we didn't know exactly

1620
01:20:39,910 --> 01:20:37,400
where this location was super like my

1621
01:20:43,419 --> 01:20:39,920
it's big wide open skies there oh you

1622
01:20:45,779 --> 01:20:43,429
its horizon to horizon yeah it's those

1623
01:20:48,759 --> 01:20:45,789
roads to nowhere literally you know so

1624
01:20:49,899 --> 01:20:48,769
yeah it was it was a little area for a

1625
01:20:50,739 --> 01:20:49,909
few minutes but you know I mean we

1626
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:50,749
weren't we weren't in any

1627
01:20:55,660 --> 01:20:52,610
life-threatening danger but we were we

1628
01:20:57,669 --> 01:20:55,670
were definitely properly lost and well

1629
01:20:59,560 --> 01:20:57,679
yeah people when you see the film you

1630
01:21:01,359 --> 01:20:59,570
see how it resolves it's kind of funny

1631
01:21:04,089 --> 01:21:01,369
looking back I'm not sure what's so

1632
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:04,099
funny back then but it all it all ended

1633
01:21:07,629 --> 01:21:06,170
okay in the end you know another thing

1634
01:21:09,029 --> 01:21:07,639
that just occurred to me that I never

1635
01:21:12,569 --> 01:21:09,039
thought about

1636
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:12,579
when it comes to Roswell is they never

1637
01:21:19,979 --> 01:21:15,489
they've scanned the area over and over

1638
01:21:22,799 --> 01:21:19,989
again where the crash site was and never

1639
01:21:27,180 --> 01:21:22,809
found anything in in my opinion if it

1640
01:21:29,129 --> 01:21:27,190
was just oil from a mogul balloon or

1641
01:21:31,919 --> 01:21:29,139
some type of weather balloon why would

1642
01:21:35,569 --> 01:21:31,929
they be so careful in picking up every

1643
01:21:38,750 --> 01:21:35,579
single little tiny scrap of it you know

1644
01:21:42,180 --> 01:21:38,760
which yeah no one ever finds anything

1645
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:42,190
yeah that's right I mean we interviewed

1646
01:21:47,759 --> 01:21:45,610
for it's at the site itself almonds I'm

1647
01:21:48,930 --> 01:21:47,769
sure you know was the granddaughter of

1648
01:21:50,580 --> 01:21:48,940
Mac Brazel

1649
01:21:52,379 --> 01:21:50,590
bracelet I never know how to pronounce

1650
01:21:56,330 --> 01:21:52,389
his name I think it's brasil' isn't it

1651
01:22:01,020 --> 01:21:56,340
the rancher who yeah on the wreckage

1652
01:22:02,729 --> 01:22:01,030
yeah and and she describes how dad told

1653
01:22:05,850 --> 01:22:02,739
her that you know they were walking

1654
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:05,860
shoulder-to-shoulder and he wasn't just

1655
01:22:11,220 --> 01:22:08,489
once it was twice they came out

1656
01:22:13,049 --> 01:22:11,230
literally scouring this whole area in

1657
01:22:14,549 --> 01:22:13,059
there I don't know how many people how

1658
01:22:15,899 --> 01:22:14,559
many men there were but you know she

1659
01:22:18,899 --> 01:22:15,909
makes this point they were literally

1660
01:22:21,089 --> 01:22:18,909
walking in lines and that's how her dad

1661
01:22:24,750 --> 01:22:21,099
described it to her back in the day yeah

1662
01:22:26,759 --> 01:22:24,760
that's uh that's really overkill if it

1663
01:22:30,089 --> 01:22:26,769
was just something like something that

1664
01:22:33,089 --> 01:22:30,099
was replaceable yeah absolutely I mean

1665
01:22:35,729 --> 01:22:33,099
you know it just doesn't add up even the

1666
01:22:37,140 --> 01:22:35,739
skeptics have to accept the fact that it

1667
01:22:40,890 --> 01:22:37,150
just doesn't add up the amount of

1668
01:22:44,069 --> 01:22:40,900
interest and as well as the changing

1669
01:22:45,779 --> 01:22:44,079
story over the last you know set of 60

1670
01:22:47,220 --> 01:22:45,789
odd years how many times have change it

1671
01:22:49,290 --> 01:22:47,230
it just doesn't add up does it for

1672
01:22:50,970 --> 01:22:49,300
whether bloom water what one thing I am

1673
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:50,980
certain I've actually not seen that from

1674
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:53,170
all of this is that it wasn't a weather

1675
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:55,050
balloon whatever happened in Roswell

1676
01:22:58,589 --> 01:22:56,650
wasn't a weather balloon

1677
01:23:03,180 --> 01:22:58,599
I would I would bet my right arm on that

1678
01:23:07,950 --> 01:23:03,190
hmm yeah and when it comes to the bodies

1679
01:23:09,839 --> 01:23:07,960
I thought the one thing about that that

1680
01:23:12,180 --> 01:23:09,849
I know you said that was a little bit of

1681
01:23:17,009 --> 01:23:12,190
a harder area for you but one of the

1682
01:23:19,490 --> 01:23:17,019
things I and I found really curious

1683
01:23:22,649 --> 01:23:19,500
about when they talk about the bodies is

1684
01:23:25,620 --> 01:23:22,659
that the Air Force in the 1990s the

1685
01:23:28,949 --> 01:23:25,630
97 or something like that when there was

1686
01:23:31,890 --> 01:23:28,959
that Roswell investigation came out and

1687
01:23:33,779 --> 01:23:31,900
said that those were crash dummies and

1688
01:23:37,319 --> 01:23:33,789
of course crash dummies had not been

1689
01:23:38,189 --> 01:23:37,329
even invented until I think was 1952 or

1690
01:23:40,109 --> 01:23:38,199
something like that

1691
01:23:42,449 --> 01:23:40,119
yeah that's one of the fifties yeah but

1692
01:23:45,060 --> 01:23:42,459
the thing that I find the most curious

1693
01:23:47,609 --> 01:23:45,070
about that whole statement is all they

1694
01:23:50,609 --> 01:23:47,619
had to say was there were no bodies

1695
01:23:53,129 --> 01:23:50,619
there were you know look this does not

1696
01:23:54,839 --> 01:23:53,139
make any sense but they didn't say that

1697
01:23:58,679 --> 01:23:54,849
instead they try to explain it away

1698
01:24:00,089 --> 01:23:58,689
which i think is another curiosity you

1699
01:24:01,739 --> 01:24:00,099
know they thought of it like that's a

1700
01:24:04,199 --> 01:24:01,749
that's a really good point why not just

1701
01:24:06,060 --> 01:24:04,209
flat-out say it wasn't the case if they

1702
01:24:08,489 --> 01:24:06,070
weren't there and yeah why why even go

1703
01:24:10,140 --> 01:24:08,499
down the road of saying well actually it

1704
01:24:12,659 --> 01:24:10,150
wasn't those kinds of bodies it was a

1705
01:24:14,429 --> 01:24:12,669
different kind of body yes it's a good

1706
01:24:16,489 --> 01:24:14,439
point I just think it's something else

1707
01:24:19,799 --> 01:24:16,499
that just adds fuel to the fire

1708
01:24:23,959 --> 01:24:19,809
for the possibility that it was

1709
01:24:27,629 --> 01:24:23,969
something okay so your film is called

1710
01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:27,639
cosmic is it d cosmic whistleblower no

1711
01:24:33,899 --> 01:24:30,249
cosmic whistle blows cosmic whistle

1712
01:24:36,509 --> 01:24:33,909
blowers and you're not exactly sure when

1713
01:24:38,969 --> 01:24:36,519
that's actually hitting the screen well

1714
01:24:42,689 --> 01:24:38,979
we're just negotiating negotiating

1715
01:24:44,250 --> 01:24:42,699
distribution as we speak which is a I'm

1716
01:24:47,909 --> 01:24:44,260
finding to be a lengthy and complicated

1717
01:24:49,949 --> 01:24:47,919
process but yeah I'm hoping it will be

1718
01:24:53,819 --> 01:24:49,959
certainly no later than early next year

1719
01:24:55,169 --> 01:24:53,829
for the you know maybe the US market I'm

1720
01:24:58,379 --> 01:24:55,179
not sure it would be any sooner than

1721
01:25:02,159 --> 01:24:58,389
that we are looking at television or

1722
01:25:03,629 --> 01:25:02,169
and/or video on demand but I've we've

1723
01:25:04,859 --> 01:25:03,639
yet to figure out how it how it breaks

1724
01:25:08,069 --> 01:25:04,869
down

1725
01:25:09,929 --> 01:25:08,079
for me I don't mind how that does happen

1726
01:25:11,069 --> 01:25:09,939
I just want as many people to see the

1727
01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:11,079
film as possible of course because

1728
01:25:16,469 --> 01:25:12,489
that's you know that's the whole point

1729
01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:16,479
why I do it but I'm not entirely sure

1730
01:25:22,500 --> 01:25:20,320
which route it's going to take as yet

1731
01:25:25,830 --> 01:25:22,510
although it it does look like television

1732
01:25:27,390 --> 01:25:25,840
could be a possibility although I've got

1733
01:25:30,359 --> 01:25:27,400
to be honest with you I didn't make this

1734
01:25:33,620 --> 01:25:30,369
film with television in mind I other

1735
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:33,630
thought it would be a a purely an online

1736
01:25:37,550 --> 01:25:36,010
film or potentially

1737
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:37,560
small theatrical lease and then online

1738
01:25:42,450 --> 01:25:40,210
because it is feature-length a it is

1739
01:25:45,300 --> 01:25:42,460
worth saying it's 75 minutes long so

1740
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:45,310
this is not a it's not a made-for-tv

1741
01:25:51,060 --> 01:25:48,610
film I really have to say that and

1742
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:51,070
because I filmed it over we haven't

1743
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:52,690
really covered it yet and I know we'll

1744
01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:54,130
probably go into it in some detail but

1745
01:25:59,640 --> 01:25:57,370
because filming began back in 2013 and

1746
01:26:03,360 --> 01:25:59,650
it only finished earlier this year over

1747
01:26:06,020 --> 01:26:03,370
you know over a two-year period there is

1748
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:06,030
a beginning middle and an end to this

1749
01:26:11,430 --> 01:26:09,850
this whole affair so you know when it

1750
01:26:13,440 --> 01:26:11,440
comes to television documentaries it's

1751
01:26:15,420 --> 01:26:13,450
not really doesn't really sit so easily

1752
01:26:17,670 --> 01:26:15,430
and there there's there's there's a bit

1753
01:26:19,950 --> 01:26:17,680
more to it that we've well we can we can

1754
01:26:21,660 --> 01:26:19,960
talk about it if you like well one of

1755
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:21,670
the things up you were mentioning about

1756
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:26,530
distribution I you know of course we

1757
01:26:32,580 --> 01:26:29,290
could talk about this off air but I know

1758
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:32,590
Netflix is picking up a lot of this

1759
01:26:36,620 --> 01:26:35,010
topic and as a matter of fact they have

1760
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:36,630
Stephen Greer's

1761
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:39,730
serious on there which I highly do not

1762
01:26:48,150 --> 01:26:46,210
recommend yeah but anyway but they're

1763
01:26:50,340 --> 01:26:48,160
they're posting a lot of you know of

1764
01:26:54,300 --> 01:26:50,350
this topic on Netflix and that would be

1765
01:26:57,470 --> 01:26:54,310
an amazing venue ya know and I certainly

1766
01:26:59,760 --> 01:26:57,480
hope to be I hope for it to be

1767
01:27:02,670 --> 01:26:59,770
distributed on these channels Netflix

1768
01:27:05,130 --> 01:27:02,680
Amazon Prime or you know all of these

1769
01:27:06,750 --> 01:27:05,140
other major platforms possibly iTunes it

1770
01:27:09,270 --> 01:27:06,760
is all dependent upon the distribution

1771
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:09,280
deal and there is a pecking order you

1772
01:27:12,810 --> 01:27:11,170
know so generally speaking iTunes want

1773
01:27:15,630 --> 01:27:12,820
first dibs if they don't get first dibs

1774
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:15,640
then they don't want it at all etc so

1775
01:27:19,470 --> 01:27:17,050
you know you've got this whole this

1776
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:19,480
whole thing to to map out and and of

1777
01:27:24,110 --> 01:27:21,850
course you know you want to get it right

1778
01:27:28,140 --> 01:27:24,120
it's my my first independent film

1779
01:27:29,940 --> 01:27:28,150
outside of broadcasting so it's you know

1780
01:27:33,150 --> 01:27:29,950
I just want to tread carefully for the

1781
01:27:34,710 --> 01:27:33,160
next week or two just to make sure we we

1782
01:27:35,940 --> 01:27:34,720
get the right deal and make sure that we

1783
01:27:37,770 --> 01:27:35,950
get the film out there because what I

1784
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:37,780
don't want to happen is that you know

1785
01:27:43,260 --> 01:27:39,730
the film doesn't goes as far as it can

1786
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:43,270
because I believe it's well I don't I

1787
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:45,210
don't think there's a film out there

1788
01:27:52,410 --> 01:27:48,610
like this that's been done before in

1789
01:27:55,740 --> 01:27:52,420
terms of the level of how can I put this

1790
01:28:00,240 --> 01:27:55,750
access that we had or I had to the

1791
01:28:02,700 --> 01:28:00,250
investigators you know by was partly by

1792
01:28:04,470 --> 01:28:02,710
chance it was a real opportunity to

1793
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:04,480
actually put the spotlight a little bit

1794
01:28:09,450 --> 01:28:06,730
on the investigators themselves and I'm

1795
01:28:10,950 --> 01:28:09,460
not entirely sure that there's been

1796
01:28:12,480 --> 01:28:10,960
another film that's done that until this

1797
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:12,490
point if the house I'd be very

1798
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:13,570
interested to hear what it is and

1799
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:15,250
certainly like to see if any of your

1800
01:28:19,440 --> 01:28:17,650
listeners knew of any but generally you

1801
01:28:22,070 --> 01:28:19,450
know UFO Doc's are all about the

1802
01:28:25,290 --> 01:28:22,080
evidence and the UFOs and the stories

1803
01:28:28,980 --> 01:28:25,300
well whistleblowers turns into something

1804
01:28:30,180 --> 01:28:28,990
a little different and I've lost my

1805
01:28:32,670 --> 01:28:30,190
thread now Marty I don't even know if

1806
01:28:36,150 --> 01:28:32,680
you asked me a question but but yeah I I

1807
01:28:37,050 --> 01:28:36,160
just think this new direction is

1808
01:28:39,450 --> 01:28:37,060
something that maybe

1809
01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:39,460
oh yeah far myself that's right I think

1810
01:28:44,430 --> 01:28:42,250
maybe it's time to do things a bit

1811
01:28:46,020 --> 01:28:44,440
differently and and this is what

1812
01:28:48,780 --> 01:28:46,030
something I've learned from the film er

1813
01:28:50,340 --> 01:28:48,790
I think I think you have you followed

1814
01:28:51,900 --> 01:28:50,350
you need maybe a bit of a kick up the

1815
01:28:56,730 --> 01:28:51,910
backside if I'm honest that's that's how

1816
01:28:59,760 --> 01:28:56,740
I feel actually gonna be on a show next

1817
01:29:05,610 --> 01:28:59,770
week where the guy is sort of a UFO

1818
01:29:08,250 --> 01:29:05,620
skeptic and he invited me on and saying

1819
01:29:11,450 --> 01:29:08,260
that I've heard him say is the the swamp

1820
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:11,460
needs to be drained in the UFO field

1821
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:15,850
yeah yeah it's it's funny I mean I I put

1822
01:29:20,130 --> 01:29:18,730
this trailer out online it's more of a

1823
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:20,140
teaser really I don't know if any of

1824
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:21,730
your listeners of you managed to see it

1825
01:29:27,420 --> 01:29:24,370
yet but it it basically gives really

1826
01:29:30,290 --> 01:29:27,430
gives very little or nothing away and

1827
01:29:34,140 --> 01:29:30,300
within minutes of it going out I was

1828
01:29:37,260 --> 01:29:34,150
heavily criticized as being a this is

1829
01:29:40,020 --> 01:29:37,270
going to be another Pro UFO Roswell

1830
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:40,030
Dream Team production etc etcetera it

1831
01:29:44,970 --> 01:29:43,210
should be on the Sci Fi Channel and you

1832
01:29:46,020 --> 01:29:44,980
know I I made a couple of statements so

1833
01:29:48,750 --> 01:29:46,030
then I thought I'm just gonna withdraw

1834
01:29:52,230 --> 01:29:48,760
really because it's not something I need

1835
01:29:53,330 --> 01:29:52,240
to do but I will say this my film is not

1836
01:29:59,370 --> 01:29:53,340
a pro

1837
01:30:03,200 --> 01:29:59,380
UFO Pro UFO investigator movie but

1838
01:30:06,959 --> 01:30:03,210
having said that equally it's not a

1839
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:06,969
debunking movie and the types of which

1840
01:30:10,470 --> 01:30:09,130
we've seen you know certainly in the

1841
01:30:12,899 --> 01:30:10,480
British press so don't if you get it so

1842
01:30:16,169 --> 01:30:12,909
much in the US but over here the last

1843
01:30:18,660 --> 01:30:16,179
few years there's been a there's been a

1844
01:30:20,879 --> 01:30:18,670
bit of a trend for you know these

1845
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:20,889
quietly dissing documentaries so you

1846
01:30:24,180 --> 01:30:22,330
know this kind of Louie through style

1847
01:30:25,859 --> 01:30:24,190
where you've got someone who's in your

1848
01:30:27,030 --> 01:30:25,869
wake and it's pretending to be a friend

1849
01:30:28,590 --> 01:30:27,040
but actually all he's doing is taking

1850
01:30:30,780 --> 01:30:28,600
the make the whole time and I find this

1851
01:30:31,770 --> 01:30:30,790
kind of this kind of filmmaking a bit

1852
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:31,780
sickening to be honest it's not

1853
01:30:37,950 --> 01:30:35,489
something I I want any part of however I

1854
01:30:39,930 --> 01:30:37,960
think my point is that there's a balance

1855
01:30:41,879 --> 01:30:39,940
there's a line to walk with you far

1856
01:30:43,470 --> 01:30:41,889
journeys it's not easy to walk it I've

1857
01:30:45,330 --> 01:30:43,480
got to say Martin the Edit was very

1858
01:30:47,370 --> 01:30:45,340
difficult we were putting some very

1859
01:30:48,899 --> 01:30:47,380
challenging challenging positions with

1860
01:30:50,430 --> 01:30:48,909
the film and the narrative of what was

1861
01:30:53,790 --> 01:30:50,440
going on with the so-called Roswell

1862
01:30:56,189 --> 01:30:53,800
slides etc oh we just just address that

1863
01:30:59,870 --> 01:30:56,199
a little bit yeah so you were filming

1864
01:31:07,129 --> 01:30:59,880
this in the middle of the Roswell slides

1865
01:31:10,649 --> 01:31:07,139
do I dare say debacle or yeah so yeah so

1866
01:31:16,109 --> 01:31:10,659
you had to do some some creative editing

1867
01:31:18,209 --> 01:31:16,119
as well only insofar as this this story

1868
01:31:20,570 --> 01:31:18,219
was unfolding as in fact it began

1869
01:31:22,770 --> 01:31:20,580
unfolding before I went to Roswell in

1870
01:31:24,780 --> 01:31:22,780
2013 I'd heard of the slides I've been

1871
01:31:26,609 --> 01:31:24,790
I've actually been anonymously tipped

1872
01:31:28,050 --> 01:31:26,619
off by someone who was interested in my

1873
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:28,060
what I was doing with the film and he'd

1874
01:31:33,090 --> 01:31:29,650
asked me if I knew about the slides at

1875
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:33,100
the time I didn't and I asked I asked

1876
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:34,449
Don before I went out there and he was

1877
01:31:39,689 --> 01:31:37,810
very prickly about it he wasn't he

1878
01:31:44,189 --> 01:31:39,699
wanted to know who told me and how it

1879
01:31:46,830 --> 01:31:44,199
found out anyway the long and short of

1880
01:31:49,379 --> 01:31:46,840
it was when I landed out in Roswell it

1881
01:31:51,689 --> 01:31:49,389
was Hyrum our son who who actually told

1882
01:31:54,149 --> 01:31:51,699
me without me even asking him at the

1883
01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:54,159
crash site on the first second day I was

1884
01:32:00,270 --> 01:31:57,130
there about the slides in in greater

1885
01:32:04,410 --> 01:32:00,280
detail so this story was already brewing

1886
01:32:05,939 --> 01:32:04,420
backing back in in 2013 so I just

1887
01:32:06,470 --> 01:32:05,949
happened to be you know in the right

1888
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:06,480
place

1889
01:32:14,390 --> 01:32:09,650
time whichever way you want to call it

1890
01:32:16,340 --> 01:32:14,400
and so off the back of that I always

1891
01:32:17,870 --> 01:32:16,350
I've been having discussions have done

1892
01:32:18,940 --> 01:32:17,880
to say that look whatever's going on

1893
01:32:21,860 --> 01:32:18,950
with these slides whatever they are

1894
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:21,870
obviously I need to try and cover what

1895
01:32:26,330 --> 01:32:24,330
you're doing in the film and that was

1896
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:26,340
actually part larger the reason why this

1897
01:32:30,950 --> 01:32:28,890
film took so long to make because I knew

1898
01:32:32,540 --> 01:32:30,960
this is going to be a you know obviously

1899
01:32:34,700 --> 01:32:32,550
a controversial part the Roswell story

1900
01:32:35,930 --> 01:32:34,710
no doubt about that I mean I never never

1901
01:32:36,979 --> 01:32:35,940
for one second believed that there were

1902
01:32:38,630 --> 01:32:36,989
going to be pictures of a dead alien

1903
01:32:41,210 --> 01:32:38,640
flying around the planet I mean let me

1904
01:32:42,470 --> 01:32:41,220
just be clear of that one but you know

1905
01:32:44,510 --> 01:32:42,480
it's going to be an important part of

1906
01:32:47,780 --> 01:32:44,520
the story so I had to hold off to make

1907
01:32:49,580 --> 01:32:47,790
sure we included that and that's why it

1908
01:32:51,590 --> 01:32:49,590
took so long because as obviously as you

1909
01:32:56,630 --> 01:32:51,600
know that didn't resolve itself until

1910
01:32:59,510 --> 01:32:56,640
until May this year yes and I'm sure you

1911
01:33:02,090 --> 01:32:59,520
know it's funny I'm gonna get a lot of

1912
01:33:03,500 --> 01:33:02,100
trouble for saying this but I promised

1913
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:03,510
my listening audience I wouldn't keep

1914
01:33:11,090 --> 01:33:06,810
talking about that that's my fault I'm

1915
01:33:13,490 --> 01:33:11,100
sorry I blame it on you but one of the

1916
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:13,500
things I just wondered has anyone been

1917
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:17,250
paying attention to any updates on

1918
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:21,690
people's stands as far as I know dawn

1919
01:33:29,660 --> 01:33:24,930
was kind of drifting back toward that it

1920
01:33:31,100 --> 01:33:29,670
was a possibility of an alien I don't

1921
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:31,110
know where he stands at this point I

1922
01:33:37,580 --> 01:33:33,930
haven't spoken to dawn in quite a while

1923
01:33:39,350 --> 01:33:37,590
I know Jaime is standing strong or has

1924
01:33:41,410 --> 01:33:39,360
been and I'm just wondering is that

1925
01:33:45,050 --> 01:33:41,420
still status quo as far as you know as

1926
01:33:48,110 --> 01:33:45,060
far as I know yes I'm not spoken to

1927
01:33:51,410 --> 01:33:48,120
either of them for the last probably two

1928
01:33:56,540 --> 01:33:51,420
months I did have some Skype interviews

1929
01:33:59,050 --> 01:33:56,550
with them for a part of the film which

1930
01:34:01,370 --> 01:33:59,060
yeah was probably about two months ago

1931
01:34:04,100 --> 01:34:01,380
yeah I mean that that kind of feeds into

1932
01:34:06,440 --> 01:34:04,110
I think where they were both at then I'm

1933
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:06,450
not entirely sure where where Don is on

1934
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:09,890
the holes slide situation myself now

1935
01:34:15,410 --> 01:34:13,410
the only thing I do know and I'll just

1936
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:15,420
say this if you're all around this part

1937
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:16,890
up but I will just say this for the

1938
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:19,050
listeners by the way it does become a

1939
01:34:21,859 --> 01:34:20,730
large part of the film and a part of the

1940
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:21,869
film that I think people will be very

1941
01:34:26,589 --> 01:34:25,170
interested to see you know I was there

1942
01:34:29,870 --> 01:34:26,599
in Mexico City

1943
01:34:32,419 --> 01:34:29,880
filming the the situation not only front

1944
01:34:36,530 --> 01:34:32,429
stage but backstage so I was there with

1945
01:34:39,830 --> 01:34:36,540
Jaime with Don with Tom both before and

1946
01:34:42,020 --> 01:34:39,840
after the whole episode getting their

1947
01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:42,030
thoughts and and seeing things and

1948
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:44,130
folders they unfolded and I've got to

1949
01:34:48,859 --> 01:34:45,570
say Martin it was an absolutely

1950
01:34:50,990 --> 01:34:48,869
fascinating few days for me to be there

1951
01:34:52,490 --> 01:34:51,000
and I think you know from the film's

1952
01:34:54,919 --> 01:34:52,500
point of view I think people will be

1953
01:34:57,950 --> 01:34:54,929
very interested to see just how all that

1954
01:34:59,600 --> 01:34:57,960
how all that came about of course after

1955
01:35:02,600 --> 01:34:59,610
that then you've got the work of the

1956
01:35:04,970 --> 01:35:02,610
Roswell slides research group you know I

1957
01:35:07,399 --> 01:35:04,980
interviewed for the film shortly after

1958
01:35:09,109 --> 01:35:07,409
as it was unfolding actually within you

1959
01:35:13,580 --> 01:35:09,119
know on skype within within the days of

1960
01:35:17,030 --> 01:35:13,590
it all falling apart so you know the

1961
01:35:19,729 --> 01:35:17,040
film does cover it does cover this

1962
01:35:22,669 --> 01:35:19,739
aspect this this whole situation in in

1963
01:35:25,700 --> 01:35:22,679
some detail and you know I'm sure I've

1964
01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:25,710
not made I'm probably not making any

1965
01:35:30,589 --> 01:35:28,290
friends with with with part of it in

1966
01:35:34,100 --> 01:35:30,599
some way but but I will say this I I

1967
01:35:35,839 --> 01:35:34,110
treated everybody as fairly as I could

1968
01:35:39,919 --> 01:35:35,849
do the whole way through and I I mean

1969
01:35:41,990 --> 01:35:39,929
that in terms of the right to reply the

1970
01:35:43,430 --> 01:35:42,000
you know the editing that we did and

1971
01:35:46,189 --> 01:35:43,440
just my own point of view essentially I

1972
01:35:48,799 --> 01:35:46,199
just let people you know provide their

1973
01:35:50,930 --> 01:35:48,809
own take on the whole situation and and

1974
01:35:53,390 --> 01:35:50,940
I let people decide for themselves what

1975
01:35:57,069 --> 01:35:53,400
they want to decide but I've got to say

1976
01:35:59,870 --> 01:35:57,079
it was a it was a tricky editorial task

1977
01:36:01,549 --> 01:35:59,880
which you know which was challenging for

1978
01:36:04,010 --> 01:36:01,559
a while but I I hope I got it right and

1979
01:36:05,959 --> 01:36:04,020
I think I did but like I say that the

1980
01:36:07,669 --> 01:36:05,969
cards fall where they fall and and

1981
01:36:10,030 --> 01:36:07,679
people decide which side of the fence

1982
01:36:13,069 --> 01:36:10,040
they sit on you know after the whole

1983
01:36:16,129 --> 01:36:13,079
after the whole thing imploded well fair

1984
01:36:17,990 --> 01:36:16,139
enough on that we had a more of a

1985
01:36:20,629 --> 01:36:18,000
statement upon the message board saying

1986
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:20,639
is that all they know is that you've

1987
01:36:24,439 --> 01:36:22,290
interviewed witnesses they don't know

1988
01:36:31,159 --> 01:36:24,449
any more than that is there more you can

1989
01:36:36,259 --> 01:36:33,270
sorry about in terms of what the films

1990
01:36:39,359 --> 01:36:36,269
about I'm sorry about the documentary

1991
01:36:40,799 --> 01:36:39,369
all the person saying all's we know is

1992
01:36:43,919 --> 01:36:40,809
that you're interviewing people we don't

1993
01:36:45,350 --> 01:36:43,929
know so if you can get into some of the

1994
01:36:49,679 --> 01:36:45,360
details I know you don't want to spoil

1995
01:36:51,060 --> 01:36:49,689
no no it's a fair question and kind of

1996
01:36:52,229 --> 01:36:51,070
just say first of all thanks for putting

1997
01:36:54,929 --> 01:36:52,239
that question anywhere ever that came

1998
01:36:57,569 --> 01:36:54,939
from all that statement it's something

1999
01:37:00,149 --> 01:36:57,579
I'm definitely looking to address in the

2000
01:37:02,580 --> 01:37:00,159
very near future I will be putting out a

2001
01:37:05,699 --> 01:37:02,590
new trailer which will be much more

2002
01:37:08,429 --> 01:37:05,709
indicative of of the entire film which

2003
01:37:11,969 --> 01:37:08,439
yes does include the the witnesses of

2004
01:37:13,259 --> 01:37:11,979
course but the investigation because in

2005
01:37:14,939 --> 01:37:13,269
the last as you'll know yourself

2006
01:37:17,100 --> 01:37:14,949
monitoring what's been going on in last

2007
01:37:21,899 --> 01:37:17,110
couple of years you had both Bill

2008
01:37:27,689 --> 01:37:21,909
Clinton and Obama on the Jimmy Kimmel

2009
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:27,699
show you had the John Podesta tweet we

2010
01:37:32,219 --> 01:37:30,010
had the statements from NASA about

2011
01:37:34,770 --> 01:37:32,229
finding life we've had there's been a

2012
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:34,780
lot of things converging I think and

2013
01:37:39,270 --> 01:37:36,010
these things were happening during this

2014
01:37:42,719 --> 01:37:39,280
time so as well as the witnesses and as

2015
01:37:44,429 --> 01:37:42,729
well as the slides I do in fact I did go

2016
01:37:46,139 --> 01:37:44,439
to Washington specifically with the aim

2017
01:37:48,659 --> 01:37:46,149
of chasing down John Podesta because I

2018
01:37:50,669 --> 01:37:48,669
had a contact at the White House there

2019
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:50,679
and I thought I may be able to get some

2020
01:37:54,779 --> 01:37:52,570
time with him even though he just left

2021
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:54,789
the White House when I got there that

2022
01:37:58,979 --> 01:37:56,530
didn't didn't quite happen unfortunately

2023
01:38:00,750 --> 01:37:58,989
so that's we don't get an interview with

2024
01:38:04,469 --> 01:38:00,760
him in the film but you know I do

2025
01:38:06,750 --> 01:38:04,479
investigate the demoted a political

2026
01:38:09,959 --> 01:38:06,760
angle so for example I do have Stephen

2027
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:09,969
Bassett he's an interviewee and we cover

2028
01:38:15,989 --> 01:38:13,090
that aspect that the whole the whole

2029
01:38:19,729 --> 01:38:15,999
disclosure project or the the paradigm

2030
01:38:23,459 --> 01:38:19,739
research groups work specifically as

2031
01:38:25,469 --> 01:38:23,469
well as I try to you know obviously

2032
01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:25,479
being a documentary filmmaker you do try

2033
01:38:33,299 --> 01:38:28,449
and get both sides of the argument I did

2034
01:38:36,179 --> 01:38:33,309
manage to track down the the nasa chief

2035
01:38:38,580 --> 01:38:36,189
historian for i think he was chiefest

2036
01:38:42,740 --> 01:38:38,590
one for six years steven jay dick lives

2037
01:38:48,050 --> 01:38:42,750
just outside of DC obviously

2038
01:38:50,990 --> 01:38:48,060
had some really fascinating opinions on

2039
01:38:52,700 --> 01:38:51,000
not just Roswell but on UFOs because my

2040
01:38:55,190 --> 01:38:52,710
point was you know you've got someone

2041
01:38:58,010 --> 01:38:55,200
who's an astrobiologist he looks at you

2042
01:39:00,380 --> 01:38:58,020
know proving life on Earth he put this

2043
01:39:03,350 --> 01:39:00,390
imposing together of what they would do

2044
01:39:05,150 --> 01:39:03,360
what we would do as a as a planet should

2045
01:39:07,430 --> 01:39:05,160
we you know should that day come

2046
01:39:09,050 --> 01:39:07,440
which I for one thought was interesting

2047
01:39:11,060 --> 01:39:09,060
in itself the fact that someone's even

2048
01:39:12,350 --> 01:39:11,070
putting this symposium on you know and

2049
01:39:14,750 --> 01:39:12,360
he's getting religious people from

2050
01:39:16,010 --> 01:39:14,760
around the world and whatnot you know

2051
01:39:17,630 --> 01:39:16,020
and asked him about right do you think

2052
01:39:18,980 --> 01:39:17,640
it's possible that Roswell was a real

2053
01:39:21,650 --> 01:39:18,990
event and he answered me outright

2054
01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:21,660
directly and his answer wasn't in the

2055
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:23,690
negative

2056
01:39:28,310 --> 01:39:26,010
mmm-hmm but now you know that doesn't

2057
01:39:30,380 --> 01:39:28,320
doesn't prove anything again as such but

2058
01:39:32,480 --> 01:39:30,390
uh you know I tried to make this point

2059
01:39:34,820 --> 01:39:32,490
odd in the film I try to draw the

2060
01:39:38,150 --> 01:39:34,830
comparison that maybe the difference is

2061
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:38,160
between X NASA historians or

2062
01:39:43,490 --> 01:39:40,650
astrobiologists astronomers and

2063
01:39:45,590 --> 01:39:43,500
ufologists actually also different as

2064
01:39:48,530 --> 01:39:45,600
they may think they're just two sides of

2065
01:39:50,630 --> 01:39:48,540
the same coin but they just go at it in

2066
01:39:52,130 --> 01:39:50,640
a different way and and that's that's

2067
01:39:57,080 --> 01:39:52,140
something that I think comes out in the

2068
01:39:59,660 --> 01:39:57,090
film just just one thing I'm bringing

2069
01:40:03,590 --> 01:39:59,670
this kind of up out of context actually

2070
01:40:07,070 --> 01:40:03,600
but my sister and brother-in-law are

2071
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:07,080
here visiting here at my mountaintop

2072
01:40:12,620 --> 01:40:11,010
house here in Maine from the currently

2073
01:40:16,100 --> 01:40:12,630
live in Colorado but my brother-in-law

2074
01:40:19,610 --> 01:40:16,110
was at the Los Alamos labs for many

2075
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:19,620
years scientists there and so I asked

2076
01:40:26,900 --> 01:40:20,970
him if he wanted to speak on the show

2077
01:40:29,060 --> 01:40:26,910
and and tonight you know briefly and and

2078
01:40:32,480 --> 01:40:29,070
I said I just want you to say your

2079
01:40:35,420 --> 01:40:32,490
opinions on you know UFOs and was the

2080
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:35,430
topic brought up there what did you hear

2081
01:40:40,970 --> 01:40:36,890
about it there and he goes absolutely

2082
01:40:42,710 --> 01:40:40,980
nothing and he said he said they're

2083
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:42,720
getting everyone's getting it confused

2084
01:40:50,420 --> 01:40:46,610
with Alamogordo if I'm saying that right

2085
01:40:51,860 --> 01:40:50,430
but anyway or area 51 he said but he

2086
01:40:53,570 --> 01:40:51,870
said you know it's never

2087
01:40:56,390 --> 01:40:53,580
no one ever brings it up in Los Alamos

2088
01:40:59,320 --> 01:40:56,400
it's funny because you do hear that

2089
01:41:01,880 --> 01:40:59,330
you do hear about los alamos quite a bit

2090
01:41:03,560 --> 01:41:01,890
would you would that be an answer you'd

2091
01:41:05,540 --> 01:41:03,570
expect from him then is that what is

2092
01:41:09,050 --> 01:41:05,550
that what we'd expect him to say well a

2093
01:41:11,899 --> 01:41:09,060
good something and on the positive side

2094
01:41:13,340 --> 01:41:11,909
I thought was said he said well I said

2095
01:41:17,240 --> 01:41:13,350
well what do you think about UFOs in

2096
01:41:20,060 --> 01:41:17,250
general and he said it's possible and I

2097
01:41:22,370 --> 01:41:20,070
like hearing some another person of

2098
01:41:25,340 --> 01:41:22,380
science actually have an opening enough

2099
01:41:29,740 --> 01:41:25,350
mind to just say that you know I think

2100
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:29,750
yeah I think it's vital I saw somebody

2101
01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:32,370
quote or paraphrase the the NASA

2102
01:41:35,930 --> 01:41:34,290
statement or the the chief I come from

2103
01:41:37,939 --> 01:41:35,940
her name now the chief engineer at NASA

2104
01:41:40,459 --> 01:41:37,949
who made this comment on I don't know if

2105
01:41:43,130 --> 01:41:40,469
she was talking about either sayers or

2106
01:41:45,200 --> 01:41:43,140
this other this this this star they

2107
01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:45,210
found this planet they found with too

2108
01:41:49,459 --> 01:41:46,650
much light in the last couple of days

2109
01:41:51,709 --> 01:41:49,469
but this Dame's about how the last thing

2110
01:41:54,229 --> 01:41:51,719
we should think it is consider it is

2111
01:41:56,540 --> 01:41:54,239
that it that it could be alien life and

2112
01:41:58,729 --> 01:41:56,550
then he put underneath this and there's

2113
01:42:00,709 --> 01:41:58,739
like wow you're and you're a scientist

2114
01:42:03,500 --> 01:42:00,719
you know I mean I really thought that

2115
01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:03,510
made the point well insofar as why can't

2116
01:42:07,669 --> 01:42:05,130
you think like that I I don't get it

2117
01:42:10,250 --> 01:42:07,679
it's it just doesn't make sense to me

2118
01:42:12,260 --> 01:42:10,260
it's it's like there's a an inherent

2119
01:42:14,660 --> 01:42:12,270
preclusion in their thinking to think

2120
01:42:17,060 --> 01:42:14,670
that you know this is actually a

2121
01:42:18,380 --> 01:42:17,070
likelihood it's it's always from the

2122
01:42:21,110 --> 01:42:18,390
point of science it always seems to be

2123
01:42:24,200 --> 01:42:21,120
the point of unlikely order the aliens

2124
01:42:26,479 --> 01:42:24,210
are the case yeah I mean I think there's

2125
01:42:27,979 --> 01:42:26,489
a process of ruling things out I mean

2126
01:42:30,830 --> 01:42:27,989
that's the way it should be looked at

2127
01:42:34,490 --> 01:42:30,840
instead of just completely pushed off of

2128
01:42:36,950 --> 01:42:34,500
the table as far as a topic you know

2129
01:42:39,709 --> 01:42:36,960
they have to do their science to see

2130
01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:39,719
what it is and sometimes it could be a

2131
01:42:44,390 --> 01:42:42,690
natural phenomenon of some kind that

2132
01:42:48,439 --> 01:42:44,400
can't be explained there seems to be a

2133
01:42:50,709 --> 01:42:48,449
lot of that going it just seems to me

2134
01:42:53,390 --> 01:42:50,719
there's always a was a bent towards

2135
01:42:55,459 --> 01:42:53,400
looking for alternative answers to the

2136
01:42:57,500 --> 01:42:55,469
fact that it could be in other living

2137
01:43:00,020 --> 01:42:57,510
things and that seems to me like a bias

2138
01:43:03,530 --> 01:43:00,030
I don't know I'm not a scientist but it

2139
01:43:05,780 --> 01:43:03,540
doesn't seem to be a very balanced

2140
01:43:08,330 --> 01:43:05,790
approach I don't know yeah

2141
01:43:10,009 --> 01:43:08,340
no I'm with you I'm with you there on

2142
01:43:11,810 --> 01:43:10,019
that so

2143
01:43:14,319 --> 01:43:11,820
if you're listening live you can pose a

2144
01:43:18,620 --> 01:43:14,329
question for our guests we have about

2145
01:43:22,299 --> 01:43:18,630
somewhere about 12 minutes or so left to

2146
01:43:24,470 --> 01:43:22,309
the show and so what other

2147
01:43:28,279 --> 01:43:24,480
whistleblowing topics

2148
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:28,289
did you bring up as far as this you know

2149
01:43:36,379 --> 01:43:34,530
the in the documentary well as I I kind

2150
01:43:38,029 --> 01:43:36,389
of mate I don't think give the ending

2151
01:43:41,509 --> 01:43:38,039
away but I kind of make a statement on

2152
01:43:44,180 --> 01:43:41,519
this towards the end of the film and I

2153
01:43:45,979 --> 01:43:44,190
will say this you know cosmic whistle

2154
01:43:47,750 --> 01:43:45,989
blows it's a big title and I've got to

2155
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:47,760
be honest for this it's it's not easy to

2156
01:43:51,950 --> 01:43:50,010
live up to to find these people

2157
01:43:53,750 --> 01:43:51,960
especially people have already have been

2158
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:53,760
found by other people and and and some

2159
01:43:57,709 --> 01:43:56,010
of which were already on record you must

2160
01:44:01,220 --> 01:43:57,719
you came up with the title first I'm

2161
01:44:05,180 --> 01:44:01,230
guessing yeah yeah I definitely did I

2162
01:44:07,819 --> 01:44:05,190
have high hopes the snakes on a plane

2163
01:44:09,799 --> 01:44:07,829
yes that actually came up they came up

2164
01:44:11,810 --> 01:44:09,809
with the the I the title of the movie

2165
01:44:13,149 --> 01:44:11,820
before they came up with the movie yeah

2166
01:44:15,379 --> 01:44:13,159
that's about right

2167
01:44:17,299 --> 01:44:15,389
but you know it was a catchy title that

2168
01:44:20,750 --> 01:44:17,309
it seemed to work he seemed to say the

2169
01:44:23,540 --> 01:44:20,760
message I wanted it to say but yeah in

2170
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:23,550
terms of whistleblowing I mean you know

2171
01:44:30,379 --> 01:44:26,010
we all know that Roswell is what it is

2172
01:44:32,509 --> 01:44:30,389
and there isn't in terms of evidence you

2173
01:44:34,700 --> 01:44:32,519
know there isn't new evidence there to

2174
01:44:38,799 --> 01:44:34,710
be discussed although maybe DOM and Tom

2175
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:38,809
may disagree with that I think for me

2176
01:44:44,359 --> 01:44:42,090
maybe it's more about whistle blowing on

2177
01:44:47,899 --> 01:44:44,369
the whistle blowers like I said earlier

2178
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:47,909
this it's a time for a change I think in

2179
01:44:50,569 --> 01:44:50,010
some parts of ufology in the way we do

2180
01:44:53,060 --> 01:44:50,579
things

2181
01:44:55,430 --> 01:44:53,070
the fact that you know the some people

2182
01:44:56,870 --> 01:44:55,440
were sat on this research like for

2183
01:44:58,549 --> 01:44:56,880
example with these slides for several

2184
01:45:01,220 --> 01:44:58,559
years before anything happened and then

2185
01:45:03,830 --> 01:45:01,230
it all blew up very quickly I don't

2186
01:45:05,509 --> 01:45:03,840
agree with the way that all came about

2187
01:45:08,450 --> 01:45:05,519
and I don't think it helps the subject

2188
01:45:11,509 --> 01:45:08,460
and I don't think it helps people get to

2189
01:45:13,279 --> 01:45:11,519
the truth I think it's time for a change

2190
01:45:16,700 --> 01:45:13,289
so in terms of the whistleblowing I

2191
01:45:18,919 --> 01:45:16,710
think for me I think it's about looking

2192
01:45:22,819 --> 01:45:18,929
at who's doing the work how they're

2193
01:45:24,250 --> 01:45:22,829
doing it and and I'll say are they the

2194
01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:24,260
right people

2195
01:45:32,180 --> 01:45:27,690
uh-huh a question up on the message

2196
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:32,190
board what is your perspective on what

2197
01:45:38,450 --> 01:45:36,570
an ET would look like Wow

2198
01:45:41,090 --> 01:45:38,460
your guess is as good as mine right yeah

2199
01:45:45,560 --> 01:45:41,100
I mean really come on this guy's this

2200
01:45:48,620 --> 01:45:45,570
guy did an lol after it so you know I

2201
01:45:50,330 --> 01:45:48,630
don't know how how read up your your

2202
01:45:53,180 --> 01:45:50,340
your listener is there but you know I've

2203
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:53,190
spent a long time reading you know as

2204
01:45:56,840 --> 01:45:54,810
many books as I can get my hands on on

2205
01:46:00,080 --> 01:45:56,850
this subject and people's experiences

2206
01:46:02,510 --> 01:46:00,090
and accounts and whatnot and you know

2207
01:46:04,310 --> 01:46:02,520
even if point zero zero zero one percent

2208
01:46:06,580 --> 01:46:04,320
of them are to be believed and I guess

2209
01:46:08,780 --> 01:46:06,590
they can look pretty much like anything

2210
01:46:11,720 --> 01:46:08,790
it just seems to be so many different

2211
01:46:15,380 --> 01:46:11,730
accounts apart from the obvious you know

2212
01:46:16,640 --> 01:46:15,390
the the the the gray types and whatever

2213
01:46:19,820 --> 01:46:16,650
they just seems to be so many different

2214
01:46:22,190 --> 01:46:19,830
ways but you know who knows I mean I was

2215
01:46:23,390 --> 01:46:22,200
I was talking to my my girlfriend the

2216
01:46:25,220 --> 01:46:23,400
other night was saying about how the

2217
01:46:28,190 --> 01:46:25,230
planet sizes may be so different that

2218
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:28,200
you know we could be a planet of giants

2219
01:46:32,540 --> 01:46:30,090
to them and and they could be a planet

2220
01:46:34,570 --> 01:46:32,550
Giants to us you know we could be you

2221
01:46:38,060 --> 01:46:34,580
just you know

2222
01:46:41,090 --> 01:46:38,070
gravity plays a big has to play a big

2223
01:46:42,770 --> 01:46:41,100
role in evolution on a planet yeah I

2224
01:46:44,870 --> 01:46:42,780
mean we could be like insects literally

2225
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:44,880
or or they could be like insects to us

2226
01:46:48,350 --> 01:46:46,650
in some ways you know it's just all a

2227
01:46:49,970 --> 01:46:48,360
million things we can't think of its it

2228
01:46:51,470 --> 01:46:49,980
it's actually the things we can't think

2229
01:46:53,510 --> 01:46:51,480
of I think that are more baffling

2230
01:46:54,950 --> 01:46:53,520
because you know we're locked here

2231
01:46:58,100 --> 01:46:54,960
aren't we we just we just don't know

2232
01:47:00,020 --> 01:46:58,110
yeah everything we know everything and

2233
01:47:03,710 --> 01:47:00,030
everyone we've ever known and talked

2234
01:47:06,550 --> 01:47:03,720
about is all right here yeah yeah it's a

2235
01:47:09,710 --> 01:47:06,560
pretty it's a pretty humbling thought

2236
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:09,720
but you know I mean I'm sure everybody

2237
01:47:13,490 --> 01:47:11,370
agrees I believe probably thinks along

2238
01:47:16,010 --> 01:47:13,500
these lines that you know this this has

2239
01:47:19,510 --> 01:47:16,020
just got to be there's got to be so many

2240
01:47:24,590 --> 01:47:19,520
out there there's just got to be so many

2241
01:47:26,770 --> 01:47:24,600
different people beings out there hasn't

2242
01:47:29,420 --> 01:47:26,780
them yeah and it's just a question of

2243
01:47:30,860 --> 01:47:29,430
the only question is is it's not whether

2244
01:47:32,240 --> 01:47:30,870
they're they're out there it's a

2245
01:47:35,930 --> 01:47:32,250
question of whether they've ever been

2246
01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:35,940
here that's my only question yeah you

2247
01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:37,770
know it's funny

2248
01:47:42,500 --> 01:47:40,050
since I started doing this show I

2249
01:47:44,360 --> 01:47:42,510
started having I started having a lot of

2250
01:47:45,590 --> 01:47:44,370
conversations with my son on the topic

2251
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:45,600
even you know he's more or less a

2252
01:47:51,440 --> 01:47:49,290
skeptic but but he does he does believe

2253
01:47:53,209 --> 01:47:51,450
me when I told him about my sighting

2254
01:47:56,060 --> 01:47:53,219
that that is something that he does

2255
01:47:59,330 --> 01:47:56,070
believe me and it was it wasn't the you

2256
01:48:00,650 --> 01:47:59,340
know an amazing sighting but it was for

2257
01:48:03,530 --> 01:48:00,660
those who haven't heard you know I just

2258
01:48:06,260 --> 01:48:03,540
had a disc fly over me and back in 2006

2259
01:48:07,850 --> 01:48:06,270
and it stopped there was the thing that

2260
01:48:10,130 --> 01:48:07,860
baffled me the most about the whole

2261
01:48:11,990 --> 01:48:10,140
sighting was not even the object was

2262
01:48:13,459 --> 01:48:12,000
that it was making no sound and moving

2263
01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:13,469
you know that's what baffled me the most

2264
01:48:17,990 --> 01:48:15,930
and then I heard so many other people

2265
01:48:21,170 --> 01:48:18,000
talk about that you know that sparked my

2266
01:48:23,990 --> 01:48:21,180
interest but Wow in the conversations

2267
01:48:27,020 --> 01:48:24,000
that my son and I have you know like

2268
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:27,030
what are you know is someone having like

2269
01:48:31,880 --> 01:48:29,610
a somewhere else are they having the

2270
01:48:34,430 --> 01:48:31,890
same struggles as humans have in

2271
01:48:37,550 --> 01:48:34,440
everyday life you know is there such

2272
01:48:41,660 --> 01:48:37,560
thing as poverty and is there such thing

2273
01:48:44,479 --> 01:48:41,670
as all the things we are afflicted from

2274
01:48:46,729 --> 01:48:44,489
in different ways and you know if some

2275
01:48:49,580 --> 01:48:46,739
of getting a brand-new car or equivalent

2276
01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:49,590
since you know somewhere else and and

2277
01:48:55,610 --> 01:48:52,650
the possibilities are so vast that there

2278
01:48:59,930 --> 01:48:55,620
could be billions of species you know in

2279
01:49:03,530 --> 01:48:59,940
the universe as vast as it is we have we

2280
01:49:05,150 --> 01:49:03,540
have no way of knowing but it's really

2281
01:49:08,630 --> 01:49:05,160
something to you know if you really get

2282
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:08,640
into a thinking fest then you can think

2283
01:49:12,290 --> 01:49:11,010
about oh it's a yeah it's an infinite

2284
01:49:15,560 --> 01:49:12,300
rabbit hole isn't it I mean you just

2285
01:49:18,110 --> 01:49:15,570
once you stall this there's no getting

2286
01:49:19,700 --> 01:49:18,120
out but you know for me it's the most I

2287
01:49:23,750 --> 01:49:19,710
don't know it'll always be the most

2288
01:49:27,380 --> 01:49:23,760
fascinating subject that I can possibly

2289
01:49:28,910 --> 01:49:27,390
think of you know I it's something that

2290
01:49:31,250 --> 01:49:28,920
you can never ever get bored with

2291
01:49:32,840 --> 01:49:31,260
because it's always going to be a

2292
01:49:35,330 --> 01:49:32,850
question unless something happens that

2293
01:49:38,300 --> 01:49:35,340
you know gives us a different kind of a

2294
01:49:39,950 --> 01:49:38,310
sign in the next few decades then you

2295
01:49:42,470 --> 01:49:39,960
know we're always going to ruas going to

2296
01:49:45,979 --> 01:49:42,480
want to know well even if let's say

2297
01:49:49,160 --> 01:49:45,989
tomorrow all of a sudden we find some

2298
01:49:50,910 --> 01:49:49,170
type of 100 percent sign of intelligent

2299
01:49:53,490 --> 01:49:50,920
beings somewhere

2300
01:49:55,830 --> 01:49:53,500
well they're still gonna be the question

2301
01:49:57,360 --> 01:49:55,840
of okay well how many different types

2302
01:49:59,400 --> 01:49:57,370
are there out there and what you know

2303
01:50:02,280 --> 01:49:59,410
what are they and there's gonna be so

2304
01:50:06,540 --> 01:50:02,290
many questions even more questions the

2305
01:50:07,920 --> 01:50:06,550
more we know really yeah absolutely you

2306
01:50:10,770 --> 01:50:07,930
know one thing I find interesting is

2307
01:50:13,620 --> 01:50:10,780
when I started thinking about this

2308
01:50:14,990 --> 01:50:13,630
subject about 20 odd years ago you

2309
01:50:16,680 --> 01:50:15,000
couldn't really have these conversations

2310
01:50:19,590 --> 01:50:16,690
openly so much

2311
01:50:22,440 --> 01:50:19,600
you just couldn't there was definite

2312
01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:22,450
massive giggle factor and mocking factor

2313
01:50:26,040 --> 01:50:23,410
then I don't know it's still there today

2314
01:50:27,870 --> 01:50:26,050
but it's not there in the same way you

2315
01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:27,880
know people are more open like you say

2316
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:29,410
whether it's the scientists whether it's

2317
01:50:34,530 --> 01:50:31,930
you know even you know your son they may

2318
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:34,540
be skeptical and good for him but you

2319
01:50:37,680 --> 01:50:35,770
know to have this kind of open

2320
01:50:39,360 --> 01:50:37,690
conversation it just it was much less

2321
01:50:41,100 --> 01:50:39,370
common back in the 80s and that's one

2322
01:50:42,480 --> 01:50:41,110
thing I'm very glad to have seen the

2323
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:42,490
last couple of decades that there was a

2324
01:50:48,630 --> 01:50:45,850
shift in the conversation and and the

2325
01:50:52,410 --> 01:50:48,640
attitude towards towards the subject a

2326
01:50:54,390 --> 01:50:52,420
few few months ago I was down and I was

2327
01:50:59,250 --> 01:50:54,400
down at Goddard Space Center down in

2328
01:51:02,460 --> 01:50:59,260
Maryland with uh with uh with a guest

2329
01:51:06,360 --> 01:51:02,470
ray Stanford and we went in there and we

2330
01:51:09,360 --> 01:51:06,370
sat with a an engineer at NASA and

2331
01:51:14,520 --> 01:51:09,370
talked to him and he's totally into the

2332
01:51:16,500 --> 01:51:14,530
subject which is and he he respects Ray

2333
01:51:20,760 --> 01:51:16,510
and has been to Ray's house and looked

2334
01:51:24,600 --> 01:51:20,770
at some of race films in pictures and so

2335
01:51:28,020 --> 01:51:24,610
I was and he's an older guy yeah real

2336
01:51:29,670 --> 01:51:28,030
nice guy so that really gave me some

2337
01:51:32,550 --> 01:51:29,680
hope you know to see it

2338
01:51:35,430 --> 01:51:32,560
someone openly interested in the subject

2339
01:51:38,070 --> 01:51:35,440
in a position of science you know that's

2340
01:51:39,480 --> 01:51:38,080
that's so good to hear and you know when

2341
01:51:45,200 --> 01:51:39,490
you think about it I'm sure there are

2342
01:51:48,930 --> 01:51:45,210
actually many open-minded NASA engineers

2343
01:51:50,370 --> 01:51:48,940
astrophysicists astrobiologists you know

2344
01:51:52,530 --> 01:51:50,380
I'm sure they're all out there I'm not

2345
01:51:55,140 --> 01:51:52,540
really sure of it but you know maybe

2346
01:51:57,210 --> 01:51:55,150
they just that you know they speak as

2347
01:51:59,370 --> 01:51:57,220
you as you say that an individual basis

2348
01:52:01,050 --> 01:51:59,380
and obviously they've got to watch how

2349
01:52:02,640 --> 01:52:01,060
they speak when they're doing it

2350
01:52:03,879 --> 01:52:02,650
professionally but you know underneath

2351
01:52:06,609 --> 01:52:03,889
when the

2352
01:52:08,500 --> 01:52:06,619
curtains are drawn then they can they

2353
01:52:10,270 --> 01:52:08,510
can actually you know speak their mind

2354
01:52:11,919 --> 01:52:10,280
with with the clothes company I think

2355
01:52:14,529 --> 01:52:11,929
that does that gives me a bit of help

2356
01:52:15,609 --> 01:52:14,539
like you say because you know if as long

2357
01:52:18,449 --> 01:52:15,619
as there are enough people out there

2358
01:52:21,669 --> 01:52:18,459
that if there was something that that

2359
01:52:23,889 --> 01:52:21,679
they would maybe you know push that idea

2360
01:52:26,199 --> 01:52:23,899
that people should know because I do

2361
01:52:28,569 --> 01:52:26,209
think I I do categorically believe that

2362
01:52:30,009 --> 01:52:28,579
if there was something out there a sign

2363
01:52:32,259 --> 01:52:30,019
out there that they absolutely would

2364
01:52:34,119 --> 01:52:32,269
close it down before telling any of us

2365
01:52:36,790 --> 01:52:34,129
I'm absolutely sure of that

2366
01:52:41,349 --> 01:52:36,800
earlier on in the show we had alejandro

2367
01:52:44,169 --> 01:52:41,359
rojas son he's from open minds TV and he

2368
01:52:46,719 --> 01:52:44,179
the last number of weeks that he and

2369
01:52:51,459 --> 01:52:46,729
I've been talking he's telling me that

2370
01:52:53,709 --> 01:52:51,469
the UK it has a real fascination now as

2371
01:52:57,909 --> 01:52:53,719
far as the press goes and UFOs are you

2372
01:52:59,770 --> 01:52:57,919
seeing a lot of that yeah yeah

2373
01:53:01,659 --> 01:52:59,780
definitely I think the subject in

2374
01:53:04,810 --> 01:53:01,669
general is want to say the subject I

2375
01:53:07,239 --> 01:53:04,820
mean aliens the idea of aliens I think

2376
01:53:11,259 --> 01:53:07,249
is that more of as a notion as a

2377
01:53:13,089 --> 01:53:11,269
scientific fact yes UFOs coming into I'm

2378
01:53:15,399 --> 01:53:13,099
not sure what what he was speaking about

2379
01:53:17,739 --> 01:53:15,409
specifically I mean another Daily Mail

2380
01:53:20,349 --> 01:53:17,749
runs a lot of the sensationalist stuff

2381
01:53:24,819 --> 01:53:20,359
here which gets a lot and quite often I

2382
01:53:26,799 --> 01:53:24,829
think too much to too much interest

2383
01:53:29,020 --> 01:53:26,809
because you know well turns of the demo

2384
01:53:31,449 --> 01:53:29,030
what it can be it's very exploitative in

2385
01:53:33,040 --> 01:53:31,459
that way but there is an interest

2386
01:53:37,629 --> 01:53:33,050
without a doubt there's and there's in

2387
01:53:38,829 --> 01:53:37,639
it there's an increasing interest you

2388
01:53:40,299 --> 01:53:38,839
know it depends on what's going on I

2389
01:53:43,029 --> 01:53:40,309
think I think for me there's more of a

2390
01:53:45,279 --> 01:53:43,039
there's more general interest in the

2391
01:53:47,049 --> 01:53:45,289
subject and an issue of aliens than UFOs

2392
01:53:48,909 --> 01:53:47,059
that's what I would say mm-hmm

2393
01:53:51,189 --> 01:53:48,919
someone on the message board wants to

2394
01:53:53,979 --> 01:53:51,199
know I'm guessing it's like what your

2395
01:53:57,599 --> 01:53:53,989
thoughts on ancient aliens or past you

2396
01:54:00,639 --> 01:53:57,609
know many years past on on visitation

2397
01:54:03,729 --> 01:54:00,649
yeah entirely open to that notion

2398
01:54:05,259 --> 01:54:03,739
something I've looked at myself I'm not

2399
01:54:07,239 --> 01:54:05,269
talking about ancient aliens the series

2400
01:54:10,810 --> 01:54:07,249
it's not something I really watch I've

2401
01:54:13,449 --> 01:54:10,820
got to say so I've not got much opinion

2402
01:54:18,040 --> 01:54:13,459
on that but as an idea

2403
01:54:19,810 --> 01:54:18,050
whether it was the the the waters of the

2404
01:54:22,509 --> 01:54:19,820
West African tribe of the late 19th

2405
01:54:24,810 --> 01:54:22,519
century and they worshipped these was in

2406
01:54:28,330 --> 01:54:24,820
the Dogons they came from the second

2407
01:54:30,549 --> 01:54:28,340
Sirius B which was only discovered in

2408
01:54:34,600 --> 01:54:30,559
the 1960s and they talked about this

2409
01:54:35,859 --> 01:54:34,610
back over 150 years ago you know whether

2410
01:54:37,479 --> 01:54:35,869
it's true or not I don't know but there

2411
01:54:39,580 --> 01:54:37,489
were certain accounts across the planet

2412
01:54:42,580 --> 01:54:39,590
that definitely point to some really

2413
01:54:45,729 --> 01:54:42,590
interesting philosophies from from all

2414
01:54:50,290 --> 01:54:45,739
the civilizations that that seem to have

2415
01:54:52,540 --> 01:54:50,300
either a serious interest or / fairly

2416
01:54:54,520 --> 01:54:52,550
strong knowledge of things that you know

2417
01:54:57,509 --> 01:54:54,530
they shouldn't have or we couldn't

2418
01:54:59,500 --> 01:54:57,519
wonder how they have it so absolutely

2419
01:55:01,449 --> 01:54:59,510
you know we've we're quite a young

2420
01:55:04,569 --> 01:55:01,459
planet aren't we wait as the universe

2421
01:55:06,810 --> 01:55:04,579
girls and you know the next system along

2422
01:55:10,379 --> 01:55:06,820
is like a billion years older than us so

2423
01:55:13,959 --> 01:55:10,389
why not yeah yeah that's something that

2424
01:55:15,310 --> 01:55:13,969
that I will definitely bring up next

2425
01:55:18,580 --> 01:55:15,320
week when I'm talking to Michael Shermer

2426
01:55:22,389 --> 01:55:18,590
is about you know the fact that here we

2427
01:55:25,350 --> 01:55:22,399
are we're going as far out as in space

2428
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:25,360
as we can exploring as much as we can

2429
01:55:34,929 --> 01:55:31,010
optically or other ways and you know

2430
01:55:37,629 --> 01:55:34,939
basically can't you be open-minded

2431
01:55:40,509 --> 01:55:37,639
enough to know that it's possible we're

2432
01:55:43,449 --> 01:55:40,519
being visited so we have we have we have

2433
01:55:45,549 --> 01:55:43,459
to close the show now it's been a real

2434
01:55:46,659 --> 01:55:45,559
pleasure speaking to you yeah thanks so

2435
01:55:48,250 --> 01:55:46,669
much months it's been a great pleasure

2436
01:55:49,449 --> 01:55:48,260
it's actually done it's actually going

2437
01:55:50,859 --> 01:55:49,459
really quickly I was worried I wouldn't

2438
01:55:52,330 --> 01:55:50,869
be able to manage the stairway but the

2439
01:55:54,189 --> 01:55:52,340
only ours I'm doing but that's right

2440
01:55:55,869 --> 01:55:54,199
it's like 2:00 in the morning for you

2441
01:55:57,729 --> 01:55:55,879
yeah it's kind of late but it's 3:00

2442
01:55:59,949 --> 01:55:57,739
actually but I know it's been a great

2443
01:56:02,100 --> 01:55:59,959
pleasure Martin I'm just really have to

2444
01:56:04,810 --> 01:56:02,110
come back all right okay thanks so much

2445
01:56:06,629 --> 01:56:04,820
you're welcome take a all right you too

2446
01:56:09,939 --> 01:56:06,639
thank you all for listening to the show

2447
01:56:13,209 --> 01:56:09,949
next week we have starting out with Mark

2448
01:56:15,459 --> 01:56:13,219
Rutte agir and Leslie cane and then on

2449
01:56:18,129 --> 01:56:15,469
to Michael Shermer and I want to thank

2450
01:56:20,979 --> 01:56:18,139
people for helping out with the show to

2451
01:56:23,379 --> 01:56:20,989
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01:56:27,110 --> 01:56:23,389
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2453
01:56:29,210 --> 01:56:27,120
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01:56:31,520 --> 01:56:29,220
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2455
01:56:34,250 --> 01:56:31,530
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2456
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